4 Real

4 Real is a podcast from Dechert LLP exploring the latest trends and developments in commercial real estate finance. Join co-hosts Jon Gaynor and Sam Gilbert every month as they delve into current issues impacting both the legal and business aspects of real estate finance transactions, including lending, securitization and restructuring. Each episode features market commentary and interviews with industry thought leaders, providing listeners with valuable insights and practical advice, plus a little banter along the way. © 2026 Dechert LLP. All rights reserved. This information should not be considered as legal opinions on specific facts or as a substitute for legal counsel. It is provided by Dechert LLP as a general informational service and may be considered attorney advertising in some jurisdictions.

4 Real is a business podcast hosted by Dechert LLP, with 34 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

Dechert LLP hosts 4 Real, a business show with 34 episodes published.

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  Episode #34

  Turning Over a New Leaf: A Decade Well Planted With CREFC's Lisa Pendergast

  Jun 30, 202658 min

  This year's CREFC Annual Conference drew standing-room-only panels, a sign that the market has given industry leaders plenty to talk about. In this episode of Dechert's 4 Real podcast, host Jon Gaynor and series producer Stewart McQueen sit down with Lisa Pendergast, President and CEO of CREFC, to break down the conference's biggest themes and where she thinks the industry will go from here. Plus, Lisa shares what she's most proud of building over the last 10 years and the hosts find out who the "green thumbs" of the group are.

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  Shifting Gears: The Forces Driving Insurance Risk in Commercial Real Estate

  Apr 23, 202656 minS33

  <p>What if the insurance program you thought was protecting your deal is actually what's putting it at risk? In this episode of our 4 Real podcast, hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Kate Mylod sit down with Emily Rasmussen, President and COO of Resilience Insurance Analytics, to break down what lenders, borrowers and attorneys need to know about property insurance in commercial real estate today. The hosts also explore the Basel III endgame re-proposal, and take a turn down memory lane to discuss childhood vehicles and names of their cars.</p>

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  Calling Balls and Strikes: Batting it Around with Moody’s Dan Rubock

  Mar 26, 202645 minS0

  <p>In this episode of Dechert 4 Real, hosts Jon Gaynor and Sam Gilbert welcome Moody’s Ratings’ SVP and former Dechert lawyer Dan Rubock to the podcast for an in-depth look at his career shaping how the agency evaluates the legal architecture of CMBS deals. They also go extra innings on insurance risk, data centers, Canadian CMBS and AI, and share some favorite sports memories.</p>

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  Episode #31

  More Than Data Centers: AI Governance, Liability and the Future of CRE

  Feb 23, 202633 minS0

  <p>Artificial intelligence is everywhere, but aren’t the implications for commercial real estate limited to data centers? In this episode, 4 Real hosts Jon Gaynor and Sam Gilbert sit down with Dechert litigation counsel Wilfred T. Beaye, Jr. for the AI breakdown that every CRE decision-maker needs to hear, including where AI can be most powerful, why governance is lagging behind development, which property classes will be most impacted and how companies can protect themselves from liability.</p>

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  Episode #30

  Five Key Themes From CREFC Miami 2026

  Jan 27, 202637 minS0

  <p>Which CRE discussions energized the record-breaking and decidedly optimistic attendees at this year’s CREFC Conference in Miami? In this special edition of Dechert’s 4 Real podcast, Matt Armstrong, Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert, Stewart McQueen and Kate Mylod dive into the overall mood of the conference – which signaled resilience in the market despite geopolitical risks – as well as property performance, the issuance outlook for 2026, the continued rise of data centers, how private credit is filling gaps where banks and public markets are constrained and more.</p>

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