
Episode #15
Former BBC, ABC and RTÉ Head Jon Williams on the Loss of Courage in the Newsroom
"Journalism requires courage back in the newsroom every bit as much as it does on the front line." Jon Williams has run three of the world's biggest newsrooms — BBC, ABC, RTÉ — through thirty years of war, revolution and dramatic changes in mainstream media. He's lost colleagues to the story, and had to tell a widow her husband wasn't coming home. On watching reporters sit through an hour of public insults from the president at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, then stand and applaud him anyway, Jon told me, "I cannot get my head around that." And when the subject turns to Gaza, the deadliest place on earth to be a journalist right now, he doesn't pretend there are two sides to the death toll. And then there’s ABC — his own former network — handing $15 million to a sitting president to make a lawsuit disappear. “There used to be a line beyond which nobody would step,” he said. “People have just lost the courage to step up to it, and peer over, and go no further.” There needs to be a shared truth for any of us to make sense of our lives. Without it, Jon says, we're all just flailing in the dark. This is a conversation about the importance of truth, and what happens when the people paid to defend it stop being brave enough to do so. Have something to say? I'm all ears. If this conversation meant something to you, please leave a rating, follow the show and share it with someone else . It's how the podcast gets found. If you'd like to support my work, a paid subscription to All That I Have Met goes a long way. Subscribe here If you'd like to watch clips and video previews, you'll find them on YouTube Credits: Host: Meredith Ogilvie-Thompson Sound Editing: Dax Krishna and the team at SpeechDocs Music: Ilya Kuznetsov






