Between the Chaos and Calm: In the Middle of Motherhood

Grab a coffee and lean in with two mom friends as they process the mess, the magic, and everything in between that comes with motherhood.

Between the Chaos and Calm: In the Middle of Motherhood is a kids podcast hosted by With Gloria and Jenna, with 20 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

With Gloria and Jenna hosts Between the Chaos and Calm: In the Middle of Motherhood, a kids show with 20 episodes published.

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  Episode #21

  21: Why Ages 3-4 Can Feel like a Preview of Adolescence: Understanding the Brain of Your “Threenager” with Sarah Piel, Ms.Ed, PMH-C

  Aug 16, 202646 minS1

  There's plenty of advice and support for the magical, challenging year of two—but what about year three? We sat down with Early Years Expert Sarah Piel, M.S.Ed., PMH-C, to explore what's really happening in the "threenager brain." Together, we unpack the emotional and developmental shifts behind this stage, and why it can feel like a preview of adolescence with huge surges of independence and plenty of volatility. Grab a coffee and lean in with this chat, where Sarah beautifully takes us through everything from whining, frustration tolerance, ways to play, to the precursor skills that actually work for desirable traits like sharing and empathetic apologies that are not just performative. Find Sarah at sarahpiel.com and learn about all the ways you can work with her! As the founder of Piel Developmental Consulting, she can work with: Babies, toddlers, and young children — one-to-one and in playgroups. Parents and caregivers — one-to-one, in parenting groups, and with their child in playgroups. Schools and organizations — consulting, evaluating, and leading workshops. Be sure to also follow her bite-size tips on Instagram @theearliestyears and also TikTok @theearliestyears. About the Show We are two moms who met on Instagram years ago and quickly bonded over our love of the Montessori philosophy applied to parenting and over nerdy child development research. We decided to take the leap by finally taking our chats out of our DMs and inviting you to listen along as we chat about all things motherhood. Gloria is a former 1st grade public school teacher turned SAHM and now Montessori homeschooling mom to her 6 and 4.5 year old. She mentors parents on Montessori homeschooling online and has created multiple masterclasses for parents and educators on how to teach children to read at a foundational level. You can find more about her mentorship program by ⁠⁠clicking here⁠ ⁠ and more about her masterclasses and other printables she has created for homeschoolers by ⁠ ⁠clicking here⁠. ⁠ You can find her on Instagram ⁠@MontessoriMamaLife⁠ Jenna is a mom of three, communications strategist and child development writer. With a bachelor’s degree in journalism and a specialization in sociology, she began her career in newsrooms and nonprofits before discovering her true calling in education. She partners with Montessori school teams to strengthen their outreach, refine family communications, and foster deeper connections between parents and educators. You can follow her musings on Instagram ⁠@holdingspacemontessori. ⁠

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  Episode #20

  Episode 20: When Safety Makes Our Kids Less Safe – The Case for Risky Play

  Aug 2, 202632 minS1

  Safety is critical in our children's play and learning experiences, but part of prioritizing this is also learning to let them take safe risks. Children naturally seek experiences that challenge their bodies and minds. They need opportunities to test their limits, develop planning and problem-solving skills, and build confidence in what they're capable of. Whether it's climbing a rock wall, helping prepare food with a child-safe knife, or engaging in rough-and-tumble play with peers, these experiences help them navigate the world with greater precision, awareness, and self-confidence. This kind of play—often called risky play —is also a key ingredient in developing resilience. In this episode, we have a short conversation about how we came to embrace risky play in our own motherhood journeys and how we navigated what can feel like the hardest stage: the early years, when our children are just beginning to develop coordination and confidence, and we're learning to trust their abilities (and our own instincts) right alongside them. About the Show We are two moms who met on Instagram years ago and quickly bonded over our love of the Montessori philosophy applied to parenting and over nerdy child development research. We decided to take the leap by finally taking our chats out of our DMs and inviting you to listen along as we chat about all things motherhood. Gloria is a former 1st grade public school teacher turned SAHM and now Montessori homeschooling mom to her 6 and 4.5 year old. She mentors parents on Montessori homeschooling online and has created multiple masterclasses for parents and educators on how to teach children to read at a foundational level. You can find more about her mentorship program by ⁠⁠clicking here⁠ ⁠ and more about her masterclasses and other printables she has created for homeschoolers by ⁠ ⁠clicking here⁠. ⁠ You can find her on Instagram ⁠@MontessoriMamaLife⁠ Jenna is a mom of three, communications strategist and child development writer. With a bachelor’s degree in journalism and a specialization in sociology, she began her career in newsrooms and nonprofits before discovering her true calling in education. She partners with Montessori school teams to strengthen their outreach, refine family communications, and foster deeper connections between parents and educators. You can follow her musings on Instagram ⁠@holdingspacemontessori. ⁠

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  Episode #19

  Episode 19: The Art of Thrifting and Other Ways We Can Teach Our Kids Sustainability Practices: With Educator Heather Morales

  Jul 19, 202651 minS1

  Becoming a mother can reignite your love for our planet. It's only natural to want to leave the world in a better state for our children than the one we inherited. Yet many of us feel we lack the knowledge or experience to embrace more sustainable practices—whether it's growing our own fruits and vegetables, propagating plants, or reducing the household waste that often seems to multiply once a baby arrives. In this episode, we interview guest educator and homeschool mom of three, Heather Morales, on how she does it as the experienced thrifter, gardener, and plant mom she has become. On her page @thedailygrove , she has years’ worth of tips and resources on sustainability practices through the lens of motherhood and homeschooling – and she breaks it all down in this sit-down chat in a way that literally had our jaws to the floor at one point. Often, the reason these practices feel hard is because they are hard! As she points out, no one is “born” with a green thumb. It’s a skill-set, and a deeply rewarding one if we can muster the patience to begin. This episode is for you if you’ve ever felt overwhelmed by stuff or killed a plant and felt discouraged. Be patient, stay curious, and arm up with Heather’s amazing tips! More About Heather: Heather is a former public school educator turned Montessori homeschooler to her three girls. She loves weaving sustainability into everyday life, always with the belief that small changes matter and perfection isn’t the goal. She can usually be found thrifting, working on a DIY project, caring for her ever-growing collection of houseplants, gardening, or enjoying an iced coffee from a repurposed jar. Follow her on Instagram @thedailygrove . Show Notes We are two moms who met on Instagram years ago and quickly bonded over our love of the Montessori philosophy applied to parenting and over nerdy child development research. We decided to take the leap by finally taking our chats out of our DMs and inviting you to listen along as we chat about all things motherhood. Gloria is a former 1st grade public school teacher turned SAHM and now Montessori homeschooling mom to her 6 and 4.5 year old. She mentors parents on Montessori homeschooling online and has created multiple masterclasses for parents and educators on how to teach children to read at a foundational level. You can find more about her mentorship program by ⁠⁠clicking here⁠ ⁠ and more about her masterclasses and other printables she has created for homeschoolers by ⁠ ⁠clicking here⁠. ⁠ You can find her on Instagram ⁠@MontessoriMamaLife⁠ Jenna is a mom of three, communications strategist and child development writer. With a bachelor’s degree in journalism and a specialization in sociology, she began her career in newsrooms and nonprofits before discovering her true calling in education. She partners with Montessori school teams to strengthen their outreach, refine family communications, and foster deeper connections between parents and educators. You can follow her musings on Instagram ⁠@holdingspacemontessori. ⁠

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  Episode #18

  18: Sibling Squabbles and Family Feuds: Finding our Calm While Parenting Multiples

  Jul 6, 202641 minS1

  Ahh, sibling dynamics. Adjusting to life with multiple children can be both challenging and deeply rewarding. In this episode, we sit down to talk about our children's age gaps, the lessons we've learned along the way, and how we navigate conflicts in ways aimed at reducing rivalry and tattling while fostering conflict resolution skills for life. Whether you're preparing to welcome another child or you're already knee-deep in the season of nurturing sibling relationships, this conversation is for you. Show Notes We are two moms who met on Instagram years ago and quickly bonded over our love of the Montessori philosophy applied to parenting and over nerdy child development research. We decided to take the leap by finally taking our chats out of our DMs and inviting you to listen along as we chat about all things motherhood. Gloria is a former 1st grade public school teacher turned SAHM and now Montessori homeschooling mom to her 6 and 4.5 year old. She mentors parents on Montessori homeschooling online and has created multiple masterclasses for parents and educators on how to teach children to read at a foundational level. You can find more about her mentorship program by ⁠⁠clicking here⁠ ⁠ and more about her masterclasses and other printables she has created for homeschoolers by ⁠ ⁠clicking here⁠. ⁠ You can find her on Instagram ⁠@MontessoriMamaLife⁠ Jenna is a mom of three, communications strategist and child development writer. With a bachelor’s degree in journalism and a specialization in sociology, she began her career in newsrooms and nonprofits before discovering her true calling in education. She partners with Montessori school teams to strengthen their outreach, refine family communications, and foster deeper connections between parents and educators. You can follow her musings on Instagram ⁠@holdingspacemontessori. ⁠

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  Episode #17

  17. Expanding the Conversation: Celebrating the Dads of Between the Chaos and Calm

  Jun 22, 202628 minS1

  *We want to note that this episode includes brief mention of the loss of a father at a young age, which may be triggering for some listeners. Happy Father’s Day to all the great dads and father figures out there! While our show is dedicated to all things motherhood, we wanted to broaden the conversation and share our gratitude for the dads in our lives whose fatherhood also deserves space for reflection and celebration especially in light of men's mental health awareness month. In this episode, we have a lighthearted happy-hour conversation with our husbands and explore what fatherhood in the present day means to them. We'd like to acknowledge that their experiences, and ours, may not represent all of the nuanced family dynamics, feelings, and experiences that exist. Know that we hold space for your experience even as we share our own. About our Show: We are two moms who met on Instagram years ago and quickly bonded over our love of the Montessori philosophy applied to parenting and over nerdy child development research. We decided to take the leap by finally taking our chats out of our DMs and inviting you to listen along as we chat about all things motherhood. Gloria is a former 1st grade public school teacher turned SAHM and now Montessori homeschooling mom to her 6 and 4.5 year old. She mentors parents on Montessori homeschooling online and has created multiple masterclasses for parents and educators on how to teach children to read at a foundational level. You can find more about her mentorship program by ⁠⁠clicking here⁠ ⁠ and more about her masterclasses and other printables she has created for homeschoolers by ⁠ ⁠clicking here⁠. ⁠ You can find her on Instagram ⁠@MontessoriMamaLife⁠ Jenna is a mom of three, communications strategist and child development writer. With a bachelor’s degree in journalism and a specialization in sociology, she began her career in newsrooms and nonprofits before discovering her true calling in education. She partners with Montessori school teams to strengthen their outreach, refine family communications, and foster deeper connections between parents and educators. You can follow her musings on Instagram ⁠@holdingspacemontessori. ⁠

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