
Burn The Rules with Chet Hirani
They Called It a Quick Chat. It Ended 15 Years.
They called it a quick chat. Marisa Kamall was on maternity leave. Still recovering from pneumonia that had nearly killed her. Her newborn was in the next room. And HSBC the company she'd given 15 years to, the one where she'd grown from analyst to Managing Director, leading teams of thousands across four continents called to restructure her role. Over Zoom. When she cried, her manager said: 'I didn't think you'd react like this.' That moment taught her something that no performance review, no promotion, and no amount of over-delivering ever would: no company will care about your career the way you do. The system wasn't built to make room for her. And the life she has now GAIA, the leadership community, the coaching, the mission only exists because she stopped waiting for it to. This is one of the most honest conversations we've had on Burn The Rules. Chapters 00:00 — Welcome + Marisa’s journey into the conversation 04:05 — The inside reality of corporate success 10:10 — Why Gaia exists and the mission behind it 20:43 — The “quick chat” call that changed everything 26:02 — Rebuilding identity, confidence, and leadership after corporate 31:48 — Stop rehearsing the person you think you should be 38:08 — What it really means to lead from within 42:55 — The triple hit: motherhood, illness, and restructuring 47:07 — Fitness, discipline, and regulating mind, body, and soul 57:13 — Why the system doesn’t make room for you 58:48 — How Gaia grew from an idea into a real community 64:29 — ChatGP She and women shaping the AI era 68:12 — The questions every leader should ask themselves 69:09 — Ten and Done quickfire round 72:35 — Who Gaia is for + how to connect 73:54 — Final message: speak up and take care of yourself Connect with Marisa: LinkedIn GAIA: www.GaiaRises.com For more information about me go to: chethirani.com Get my 2 x Award Winning Bestselling book: Burn The Rules Here Connect, Follow & Subscribe: LinkedIn Youtube Instagram Facebook TikTok






