
Episode #137
Ep 137: School Shootings - Training Together
Schools rehearse lockdown drills. Law enforcement trains tactical response. Fire and EMS practice triage and transport. But how often do all of those groups train together? In this episode, host Bill Godfrey and NCIER instructors Kami Maertz and Brian Beechner break down what actually goes wrong when schools and public safety agencies each build their plans in isolation. The conversation covers: Why siloed training creates dangerous assumptions on both sides — schools assume law enforcement "just knows," and public safety assumes reunification will "just happen" An inverted-thinking exercise that flips the planning question: instead of asking what should go right, ask what you could do to guarantee failure — and work backward from there The communication gap that leaves students locked down for hours with no updates, no information, and no sense of whether they're safe Reunification logistics that most plans haven't accounted for — bus availability, accountability at every transition point, custody verification, separating children from the incident area, and campus size Public safety blind spots including outdated or incorrect school maps, missing master keys, and unlabeled rooms Why a "lockdown" on a playground, in a swimming pool, or inside a cafeteria doesn't look anything like a classroom lockdown — and plans need to reflect that The episode closes with one common thread: communication and integrated planning — done together, not in parallel. The School Safety and Violent Event Incident Management (SSAVEIM) course is designed to bring all of these entities to the same table. Learn more: https://ncier.org/ssaveim View this episode on YouTube at: https://youtu.be/rzFKsYDvip0 Like what you hear? Drop a review and subscribe to our Podcast Channel. If you have questions, you can send them to info@c3pathways.com with “Podcast Question” in the subject line. Check out our websites and learn more about C3 Pathways / NCIER by going to: https://www.c3pathways.com or https://www.ncier.org The Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast is owned by C3 Pathways and NCIER. None of the content presented may be copied, repurposed, or used without the owner’s prior consent.






