Curiouser & Curiouser

Curiouser & Curiouser is a podcast for leaders, builders, and curious minds navigating AI, GenAI safety, and governance in a rapidly changing world. Produced by Alice , the enterprise trust, safety, and security platform for the AI era, the show draws on frontline adversarial intelligence to explore how AI systems are stress-tested, red-teamed, governed, and protected across their lifecycle . Each episode looks at how AI is actually showing up in the real world, how organizations evaluate it, where it breaks, and what it takes to build systems people can trust. We cut through hype and fear to explore how AI shapes trust, decision-making, and real-world work , one rabbit hole at a time. Explore more from Alice: Website: https://alice.io YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Alice.io.advance.unafraid

Curiouser & Curiouser is a technology podcast hosted by Alice, with 14 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

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  Episode #14

  LIVE from Black Hat Las Vegas: AI, Nation-States, and the Battlefield That Keeps Changing

  Aug 12, 202649 minS1

  What if the biggest threat to your security team isn't the attacker, it's the model you're relying on to stop them? LIVE from Black Hat Las Vegas, Mo and Madi bring together two cybersecurity authors, Caroline Wong , Chief Strategy Officer at Axari and author of The AI Cybersecurity Handbook , and Allie Mellen , Principal Analyst at Forrester and author of Code War , who wrote very different books that turn out to be arguing the same point. One explains why nations attack the way they do. The other explains why AI just changed the cost, speed, and scale of everything. Together: what happens when your model goes dark mid-crisis, why guardrails can work against you, and what the OpenAI-Hugging Face incident really exposed. Podcast: https://alice.io/podcast Follow the show so you don’t miss the next episode. New episodes every two weeks. Stay curious.

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  Episode #13

  Why Your CISO Shouldn't Be the Department of No

  Jul 27, 202644 minS1

  What if the person whose entire job is risk was the most excited one in the room about AI? That's Mea Clift. While most CISOs are bracing for what could go wrong, she's leaning in, she calls it being "risk excited," and it flips the whole conversation. She and Mo get into saying yes to AI without letting risk run away from you, how she handles shadow AI without punishing people for being curious, and how she somehow ends up teaching all of this through Marvel and Monsters Inc. Podcast: https://alice.io/podcast Follow the show so you don’t miss the next episode. New episodes every two weeks. Stay curious.

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  Episode #12

  AI in Healthcare: Protecting Patient Data Without Falling Behind

  Jul 15, 202651 minS1

  Your doctor's office knows more about you than almost anyone. So what happens when AI gets its hands on all of it? That's Sandy Dunn's whole job as a healthcare CISO, and her answer is calmer than you'd expect, because the threats aren't new, it's the speed and the blast radius that changed. Which is where she and Mo pick it up, getting into HIPAA as a checkbox that protects no one, why synthetic data beats guarding data you never needed, and what AI does to trust in a field that runs on it. 🔗 Podcast: https://alice.io/podcast Follow the show so you don’t miss the next episode. New episodes every two weeks. Stay curious.

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  Episode #11

  The Former Google Cloud CISO's Take on AI, Agents, and What Comes Next

  Jun 30, 202641 minS1

  Some guests have seen the field from one seat. Phil Venables has seen it from most of them: CISO at Goldman Sachs, the first CISO for Google Cloud, and now a partner at Ballistic Ventures. So when he says what's worth paying attention to in AI security, it's worth a listen. We get into why he's more worried about attackers scaling up than about the flood of new vulnerabilities, what changes when the actor in your environment is an agent instead of a person, and why the smartest move is still going back to the basics you already trust. 🔗 Podcast: https://alice.io/podcast Follow the show so you don’t miss the next episode. New episodes every two weeks. Stay curious.

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  Episode #10

  AI in Finance: From Money Laundering to Deepfakes

  Jun 17, 202647 minS1

  Mo sits down with Dr. Janet Bastiman, Chief Data Scientist at Napier AI, to talk about why fraud is easier to catch than money laundering, how deepfakes got good enough to fool a finance team out of millions, and why the humans who oversee AI matter more than ever. 🔗 Podcast: https://alice.io/podcast Follow the show so you don’t miss the next episode. New episodes every two weeks. Stay curious.

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