Decibel and Docket

Decibel and Docket is a podcast at the intersection of the music business, live entertainment and the justice system. Hosted by veteran entertainment journalist Dave Brooks and attorney Mike Seville, this weekly podcast examines major legal stories and headlines affecting artists, content creators and the business of culture.

Decibel and Docket is a news podcast hosted by Dave Brooks, with 38 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80.

Dave Brooks hosts Decibel and Docket, a news show with 38 episodes published.

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  Did Anthropic Use Torrents and Illegal Downloading To Steal Song Lyrics + Deep Dive on Ari Emanuel's New Book Roll The Calls

  Oct 2, 202659 min

  On this episode of the Decibel & Docket podcast, entertainment journalist Dave Brooks (founder of decibel.news) and entertainment attorney Michael Seville cover Hollywood power, AI copyright litigation, and the latest turn in the Live Nation–Ticketmaster antitrust case. The episode opens with Endeavor and WME chief Ari Emanuel's new book, Roll the Calls . Dave explains the Hollywood practice of "rolling calls," where an assistant lines up phone calls back to back so a power broker never waits, a habit Emanuel says fills 200 to 300 calls a day starting at 4 a.m. Dave calls the audiobook, narrated by Bob Odenkirk, one of the most unfiltered Hollywood memoirs he's read, full of score-settling and built around two themes: rage as a motivator and Emanuel's lifelong struggle with dyslexia. Dave quizzes Michael with true-or-false stories from the book, including Larry David officiating Emanuel's 2022 wedding in Saint-Tropez and clashing with Elon Musk, a young Emanuel's standoff with CAA's Michael Ovitz, the Entourage character Ari Gold, returning Saudi investment after the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, and his infamous email war with Irving Azoff. The main segment examines the August 28 federal lawsuit filed in the Northern District of California by Sony Music Publishing and Warner Chappell against Anthropic, the company behind the Claude AI chatbot. The publishers allege Anthropic used more than 20,000 songs, including lyrics and sheet music for hits like "All I Want for Christmas Is You," "Eye of the Tiger," "Livin' on a Prayer," and "Hallelujah," to train its large language models. Unusually, the suit also names CEO Dario Amodei and co-founder Benjamin Mann personally. Michael explains why this case is different from AI-generated music suits: the claims focus on how the material was acquired. The complaint alleges content came from pirate sources such as Library Genesis and the Pirate Library Mirror via torrenting, and from scraping licensed lyric sites. It brings four counts: direct and contributory copyright infringement by torrenting, direct copyright infringement, and removal of copyright management information. The hosts discuss the earlier Bartz v. Anthropic authors' case before Judge William Alsup, which found training on copyrighted works could be fair use but acquiring them through piracy was not, and which ended in a $1.5 billion settlement, the largest copyright settlement in U.S. history. The publishers seek up to $150,000 per work in statutory damages. Anthropic calls the suit recycled allegations and maintains AI training is transformative fair use. Michael also explains why related AI copyright cases could be assigned to a single judge to avoid conflicting rulings. The final segment returns to the Live Nation antitrust case. Twenty states plus Washington, D.C., led by Colorado, are asking Judge Arun Subramanian to order Live Nation to turn over records of how it negotiated its settlement with the Department of Justice. Under the Tunney Act, the judge must decide whether that settlement serves the public interest. The states want negotiation records (including texts and any White House involvement), how the 13 amphitheaters in the deal were chosen, internal compliance plans, and why the settlement reappoints the monitor from the 2020 consent decree. Michael covers attorney-client privilege, in-camera review, sovereign immunity hurdles in getting federal records, and why lobbyists and private-sector players may be fair game. He also explains how the judge could treat the DOJ settlement as a floor and add remedies, and why he now believes a Ticketmaster divestiture is more likely than he first thought.

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  Author Spencer Waller Joins Dave to Talk About The History of Antitrust and Monopolies in the Theater Business + What Does Rob Bonta's Surrender on ParaBros Merger Mean for Live Nation?

  Sep 24, 20261h 3m

  The centerpiece of this episode is Dave's interview with Spencer Weber Waller, an antitrust professor at Loyola University Chicago, former Justice Department prosecutor, and author of Power and Greed: Monopolies, Mergers, and Cartels on the American Stage , out October 15 from Bloomsbury's Methuen Drama imprint. Waller says the book began during COVID, when his wife, who works on the business side of theater, asked if he had heard of the American Theatrical Syndicate. He hadn't. It turned out that in 1896 six producers, booking agents, and theater owners met in a New York hotel and formed a cartel that controlled most Broadway houses and national tour booking. Producers and performers could work only in Syndicate theaters, and venues could book only Syndicate shows. Waller traces a similar pattern in vaudeville. There the East Coast Keith-Albee circuit and the West Coast Orpheum Circuit combined rather than competed. He stresses that these weren't cartoon villains. The Syndicate brought real order to a chaotic post–Civil War touring business, but it charged a heavy price for that order. The Shubert brothers began as a small Syndicate client in upstate New York. After being blackballed, they built a rival theater empire, sometimes colluded with the Syndicate, and joined it in a failed 1907 invasion of vaudeville that ended with a payoff and a 15-year non-compete. Waller notes that much of this conduct would be a criminal felony today. It went unchecked partly because courts ruled that theater wasn't "trade or commerce." The Supreme Court's baseball decision then made things murkier. By the 1950s, the Shuberts were the last monopoly standing, and the government finally sued. The Supreme Court rejected the Shuberts' defense, and they were forced to sell theaters and exit booking and ticketing. Dave raises a point: by then, taste, the movies, and the Great Depression had already weakened these companies more than the government had. Waller agrees that enforcement often arrives as a monopoly starts to decline, and he compares it to Microsoft. He still believes the breakup improved Broadway by giving producers more options. The book ends at the present day, with the Live Nation–Ticketmaster case. Waller criticizes the DOJ's mid-trial settlement as lenient. He notes reports of White House meetings and a pardoned witness, and he praises Jeffrey Kessler, his former co-author, for winning the states' jury verdict on short notice. His view is that when a company has already broken two consent decrees, another round of behavioral promises isn't enough, and a breakup is the right remedy. Asked whether Live Nation is bigger than the Syndicate and the Shuberts combined, he says it arguably has more power, even though consumers today have more entertainment choices. The Rob Bonta / Paramount–Warner Bros. Settlement Dave and Michael also examine California AG Rob Bonta's settlement allowing Paramount to acquire Warner Bros. Discovery. Michael calls himself "disappointed," echoing the AGs who signed off, and he worries about CNN, the creative side of the business, and Warner's vast library. Dave asks whether stopping a merger is harder than prosecuting one afterward. Michael agrees that it is: before a merger, harm is hypothetical, while afterward there is evidence. He also notes that American culture tends to celebrate corporate titans. Dave notes that Larry Ellison's threat to move Paramount to Tennessee gave the company leverage. The key question is what this means for Live Nation. Its lawyers may cite the settlement to argue for the behavioral remedies in its DOJ deal. Michael thinks the comparison won't carry much weight with Judge Subramanian, because Live Nation already broke earlier behavioral commitments and now has a liability verdict against it. Both hosts suspect that the backlash may push Bonta to take a harder line on a Live Nation breakup, especially since Michael Rapino has little leverage.

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  Private Equity Is Quietly Taking Over Youth Sports: Why and How Kids Games Became Big Money for Big Money

  Sep 11, 202646 min

  Entertainment journalist Dave Brooks and entertainment attorney Michael Seville launch their new show, Decibel & Docket , with a wide-ranging conversation that moves from true-crime pop culture to a deep dive on one of the most under-covered stories in American sports: the rise of private equity in youth athletics. Before the main topic, Dave and Michael react to the trailer for Nathan Fielder's upcoming documentary about Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes, released weeks before she reports to federal prison. The hosts dissect the eerie interview footage, question how the crew gained embedded access to Holmes and her husband, and dig into the legal mechanics behind it. Michael explains how informed consent gives filmmakers wide latitude, but flags open questions about editorial control, parole optics, and where any proceeds could go given Holmes's outstanding restitution to Theranos fraud victims. The segment previews the show's format: pop-culture headlines filtered through legal analysis. The heart of the episode tackles a growing controversy: private equity's expansion into youth sports leagues, travel clubs, and tournament infrastructure. Drawing on recent reporting from New York Magazine , Fast Company , and Vox's Today, Explained , Dave lays out the scale of the shift — youth sports now generate an estimated $40 billion a year , nearly double NFL revenue, with families spending 46% more on their kids' primary sport than just five years ago. Dave traces the money trail to 2014, when private equity acquired uniform and competition giant Varsity Brands for $1.5 billion, flipped it to Bain Capital for $2.5 billion in 2018, and sold it again to KKR for roughly $4.5 billion in 2024. That roll-up playbook — buying teams, tournaments, hotel blocks, and streaming rights — has spread into lacrosse, hockey, baseball, and youth flag football ahead of its 2028 Olympic debut. Michael brings firsthand perspective as a youth-sports parent and board member of a rec league and a club soccer program in the Bay Area. He walks through the ecosystem — from city rec leagues and nonprofits like AYSO and i9 Sports up through regional, elite, and premier travel clubs — and explains how roll-up companies like Black Bear now control the rink, the uniforms, and the hotel blocks families must book, creating a vertically integrated model he compares directly to Live Nation and Ticketmaster's grip on live events. The conversation turns to the human and financial costs: families spending $25,000–$35,000 a year chasing scholarships that rarely materialize, early sport specialization linked to injuries like ACL tears in teenagers, and burned-out kids as young as eight or nine. As a counter-example, they highlight Minnesota's nonprofit youth hockey system, which serves 60,000 kids for as little as $204 a season and reportedly outproduces every other state in Division I hockey talent — all without private ownership taking a cut. Dave and Michael then break down the proposed Let Kids Play Act , federal legislation aimed at forcing "vulture" private equity investors out of youth sports within two years. Michael offers a skeptical legal read, questioning whether the bill can survive due-process challenges and who would even enforce it — the SEC? The DOJ? They also touch on how Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) money is trickling down into youth sports recruiting, with 44% of parents citing potential NIL earnings as a factor in signing kids up for a sport. This episode is a strong entry point for anyone interested in the business and legal side of sports, private equity's expansion beyond healthcare and retail into new industries, or the economics of American youth athletics. Listen and subscribe to Decibel & Docket for weekly breakdowns of the legal fights shaping live entertainment, sports, and media.

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  Confronting The Ticket Resale Crisis at the U.S. Open - How Stubhub and Seatgeek Have Turned Live Entertainment Upside Down

  Sep 4, 202644 min

  Dave Brooks and entertainment attorney Michael Seville are back with another episode of Decibel & Docket, diving into one of the wildest scam stories of the year before turning their attention to the ticket resale fight engulfing this year's US Open. Dave and Mike open by unpacking the bizarre case of Dejon Love, a 35-year-old man who spent over four years posing as a San Francisco 49ers wide receiver — despite never having an NFL contract or even a combine invite. Armed with nothing but a phone, rented cars, and a shockingly unconvincing "signing day" video, Love allegedly used his fake football-star persona (and a second identity as a wealthy real estate investor with "Swiss family money") to lure victims on dating apps. Federal prosecutors say he scammed 26 victims out of more than $1.3 million — and his fictional football career got so much traction online that Google's AI reportedly started listing him as an actual 49ers player. Dave and Mike break down how the scheme survived undetected for years, why banks flagged suspicious payments but couldn't tie them to a crime, and what wire fraud charges could mean for Love's future — with Mike walking through the legal elements of wire fraud and both hosts guessing at possible sentencing outcomes based on comparable fraud cases like Fyre Festival's Billy McFarland. The conversation turns into a broader riff on the scam economy, with Dave sharing his own experience fighting fake Instagram accounts impersonating him during his Billboard days, and both hosts offering listeners a common-sense gut check for spotting too-good-to-be-true online romance and financial pitches. Main Story: The US Open, Ticketmaster, and the "Scourge" of Resale The back half of the episode is a deep dive into ticket resale, sparked by skyrocketing US Open prices. Dave stakes out a hardline position: he wants resale banned outright, arguing it functions as a pure middleman tax that inflates prices without benefiting consumers, even as he acknowledges the secondary market provides useful data on real consumer demand. Mike pushes back with a consumer's-eye view, describing how resale platforms have genuinely helped him and his family catch last-minute tickets to shows and games — while agreeing the system, in aggregate, has spiraled out of control. The two dig into the mechanics of why reform keeps stalling. They cover recent California legislation — including a resale ban that died and a heavily watered-down bill (AB 1349) that Dave says industry advocacy group NIVA is now lobbying Governor Gavin Newsom not to sign. Mike, drawing on his legal background, offers a sharp breakdown of why the ongoing DOJ antitrust case and settlement against Live Nation/Ticketmaster may not even apply to what's happening at the US Open, since the settlement's definition of "live entertainment" centers on concerts, comedy, and theatrical shows — potentially leaving sporting events like tennis outside its reach entirely. They also discuss the FTC's separate suit against Ticketmaster over enforcement of its own resale rules, and how Ticketmaster's fee structure — collecting a cut every time a ticket resells — creates a built-in incentive to let scalping flourish rather than curb it. The conversation turns to the US Open specifically: whether the USTA could unilaterally bar resale on all its tickets the way some artists do (it currently does so only for premium seats), what the organization's nonprofit status and 99-year Flushing Meadows lease might mean for its public obligations, and who — the City of New York, State AG Letitia James, or another party — might actually have legal standing to challenge the practice. Dave closes the segment fired up, comparing the resale problem to other uniquely American failures of political will and predicting the resale market will keep exploding around marquee events until someone finds the courage to act.

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  Did Trump Tip the Scales for Live Nation + Understanding Rostr's Gender Parity Study

  Aug 30, 202652 min

  On Episode 32 of Decibel & Docket, Dave Brooks and attorney Michael Seville examine the collision of music, power, politics and representation—from the life and legacy of Dolly Parton to Donald Trump’s reported intervention in the government’s antitrust case against Live Nation and Ticketmaster. The episode begins with a heartfelt remembrance of Dolly Parton, who died at age 80 following a brief battle with cancer. Dave recalls seeing Parton perform at the Hollywood Bowl, interviewing her during his years at Billboard and even receiving a cease-and-desist letter after publishing a photograph of the beloved velvet Dolly portrait hanging in his home. Dave and Mike reflect on Parton’s extraordinary ability to transcend political and cultural divisions, her advocacy for the LGBTQ community, her Christian faith and the Imagination Library, which has distributed more than 300 million books to children. They also revisit her ambitious 2023 album Rockstar, featuring collaborations with Miley Cyrus, Joan Jett, Pink, Brandi Carlile, Debbie Harry, Lizzo, Linda Perry and members of Lynyrd Skynyrd. Next, Dave and Mike unpack explosive new reporting from The Wall Street Journal detailing President Trump’s personal involvement in negotiations between the Justice Department and Live Nation as the company prepared to go to trial on federal antitrust charges. According to the Journal, Live Nation had spent months unsuccessfully attempting to negotiate with the Justice Department, which was demanding structural concessions—including the possible sale of Ticketmaster and the surrender of much of Live Nation’s amphitheater business. The dynamic reportedly changed after Live Nation hired Sullivan & Cromwell attorney James McDonald, who had previously represented Trump, and CEO Michael Rapino met with the president in the Oval Office. Although that meeting was ostensibly about improving bookings at the Kennedy Center, the Journal reports that Trump asked why the antitrust case had not been settled and subsequently directed senior officials to resolve it. Days later, Rapino returned to the White House for negotiations involving Attorney General Pam Bondi, senior Justice Department officials and White House counsel. Trump reportedly stopped by the meeting, and a settlement was reached that afternoon. Dave questions whether the Kennedy Center explanation holds up, while Mike explains why the White House meetings, the involvement of Trump-connected attorneys and the exclusion of the plaintiff states raise serious concerns about Justice Department independence. They also discuss why the states refused to join the federal settlement, pressed forward at trial and ultimately secured a jury verdict finding that Live Nation had illegally monopolized major concert ticketing. Could the delayed disclosure of the settlement or the involvement of Trump’s personal advisers expose anyone to sanctions or professional scrutiny? And did Live Nation obtain a settlement through political access that it could not have secured through ordinary antitrust negotiations? Finally, Dave and Mike welcome Laura Segura of She Is the Music and Vivian Donahue and Katie Holmes of ROSTR to discuss the inaugural Music Gender Parity Index and its central finding: women account for only 29.7 percent of the artists, songwriters, producers and other intellectual-property-generating creators signed to music-industry rosters. The guests explain what they call the industry’s “one-in-three plateau,” including why women enter the business in significant numbers but remain dramatically underrepresented at the point where commercial investment and career development accelerate. Women also represent only 26.7 percent of managers and 25.9 percent of agents, while just 35 percent of new signings between 2023 and 2026 have been women—a pace unlikely to produce parity anytime soon.

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