Flipping the Playbook

Most marketers are still following old playbooks written decades ago. The rules have changed, but the advice hasn’t. Flipping the Playbook is your license to rebel. This is your front-row seat to find out how leading CMOs are tearing up the old rules and building strategies that move the needle. If you’re tired of being told “this is how it’s done,” let’s flip the playbook together. Flipping the Playbook is hosted by Reza Moaiandin and is produced by Salt Agency .

Flipping the Playbook is a business podcast hosted by SALT.agency, with 10 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

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  Flipping the Playbook

  What happens when SEO teams start owning revenue? With Amir Shahzeidi | 010

  Jun 9, 202647 min

  For years, SEO has often been measured by rankings, traffic and visibility. But what changes when marketers are accountable for something much bigger: growth? In this episode of Flipping the Playbook , Reza Moaiandin is joined by Amir Shahzeidi , a growth leader whose career began in SEO before expanding into demand generation, lifecycle marketing, paid media, attribution, and Go-to-Market strategy at Uscreen. Amir helped scale the business from a bootstrapped startup into a company generating more than $25 million in annual revenue , ultimately securing a $150 million private equity investment . Together, they explore what happens when SEO stops operating in a silo and becomes part of a broader commercial growth engine. The conversation covers: Why rankings and traffic are often the wrong success metrics What changes when marketers are measured on revenue instead of visibility The shift from channel ownership to growth ownership How SEO, paid media, lifecycle and product marketing work together Why understanding customer journeys matters more than platform expertise The realities of attribution, experimentation and scaling demand This is a conversation for CMOs, growth leaders, and marketers trying to connect activity with commercial outcomes in a world where channels increasingly overlap. Connect with Amir Shahzeidi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amir-shahzeidi/ Flipping the Playbook is hosted by Reza Moaiandin and is a production of SALT.agency . Connect with Reza: https://www.linkedin.com/in/moaiandin/

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  Episode #9

  The Leadership Problem Behind Marketing Performance, with Dr Julia Morgan | 009

  May 19, 202645 minS1

  What separates high-performing marketing teams from those stuck in cycles of burnout, friction, and underperformance? In this episode of Flipping the Playbook , Reza Moaiandin sits down with leadership expert Dr Julia Morgan to explore the often-overlooked relationship between leadership quality and marketing quality — and why stronger teams rarely emerge by chance. Together, they unpack the hidden dynamics shaping team performance, from psychological safety and trust to the rise of “accidental leaders” in modern organisations. The conversation challenges the idea that great leaders must always have the answers, instead arguing that the best teams are built through clarity, curiosity, and environments where people feel safe to contribute. Whether you’re a CMO, marketing leader, founder, or anyone responsible for leading knowledge workers, this episode offers a thoughtful look at what it really takes to create teams capable of sustained performance. In this episode, we discuss: Why marketing performance is often a reflection of leadership quality The problem with “accidental leadership” in modern organisations How psychological safety influences creativity, confidence, and performance Why micromanagement quietly damages marketing teams The difference between leading knowledge workers versus operational teams Why high-performing teams don’t happen by accident How better leadership creates better decision-making, trust, and outcomes Key takeaway Strong marketing outcomes are rarely just about strategy, channels, or execution. More often than not, they’re shaped by the quality of leadership behind the scenes — the trust, clarity, and culture leaders create for their teams. About Dr Julia Morgan Dr Julia Morgan is a leadership specialist focused on helping organisations build stronger, healthier, and more effective teams. Her work explores leadership capability, workplace culture, psychological safety, and how organisations can create the conditions for people to thrive. Find Julia on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-julia-morgan-30b2798/ Flipping the Playbook is a production of SALT.agency . It is hosted by Reza Moaiandin. Find him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/moaiandin/

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  Episode #8

  Your ROAS Is Lying to You: The Profit Playbook for E-commerce CMOs, with Liam Patterson | 008

  Apr 29, 202637 minS1

  Most e-commerce brands think they’re scaling. In reality, they’ve hit a ceiling. In this episode of Flipping the Playbook , Liam Patterson, CEO of Bidnamic, explains why one of performance marketing’s most trusted metrics—ROAS—is quietly holding CMOs back. Because ROAS doesn’t measure profit. And if you’re optimising for the wrong metric, you’re not just limiting growth—you may be scaling inefficiency. This conversation unpacks the structural issue at the heart of modern performance marketing: the disconnect between media optimisation and commercial reality. Liam shares why Google Shopping should be treated as a dynamic system, not just another channel, and how leading e-commerce brands are shifting from media buying to profit engineering. If your growth has plateaued, or your paid media performance isn’t translating into real commercial impact, this episode will change how you think about scaling. Key Topics Covered Why ROAS is a misleading metric for CMOs The hidden scaling ceiling in performance marketing Why more budget doesn’t equal more growth The difference between revenue optimisation and profit optimisation How Google Shopping actually works (and why most brands get it wrong) The shift from campaign management to profit engineering Why product-level data is the key to unlocking performance How to align marketing with wider commercial strategy Key Takeaways ROAS ≠ profitability — and optimising for it can distort decision-making Scaling paid media without profit visibility leads to diminishing returns Google Shopping performance is driven by product economics, not just bidding strategy True growth comes from aligning media spend with margin, pricing, and demand The next evolution of performance marketing is commercial, not tactical About the Guest Liam Patterson is the CEO of Bidnamic, a technology company focused on helping e-commerce brands unlock profit from Google Shopping through advanced optimisation of product-level data and bidding strategies. Resources & Links Learn more about Bidnamic: www.bidnamic.com/ Connect with Liam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liam-patterson/ Subscribe to Flipping the Playbook for more conversations with leading CMOs If this episode challenged how you think about performance marketing: Follow / Subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes Share this with your marketing or e-commerce team Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify Flipping the Playbook is produced by SALT.agency : https://salt.agency/

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  Episode #7

  Clarity, credibility or chaos: Winning travel marketing in 2026, with Matthew Gardiner | 007

  Apr 6, 202635 min

  In this episode, Matthew Gardiner, fractional CMO and former marketing leader at International Airlines Group (British Airways and Iberia), explains why most travel brands are still optimising for a funnel that no longer exists — and what needs to change as AI reshapes discovery, trust, and conversion. Matthew breaks down how travel planning is shifting from a linear journey into a conversational experience, where AI compresses inspiration, research, and booking into a single interaction. He explores what it takes for brands to be surfaced and recommended in these environments, why clarity of positioning and credibility signals matter more than ever, and how structured content influences visibility in AI-led journeys. He also explains why the biggest barrier to conversion is no longer inspiration but confidence, and how reducing decision friction can unlock significant commercial impact. The conversation also tackles one of the most persistent challenges in marketing: the perceived trade-off between brand and performance. Matthew argues that this is a false choice, outlining how brand investment acts as a multiplier for performance efficiency, and why many travel brands are underinvesting at a critical moment of market change. He also shares the signals CMOs should track to demonstrate brand impact, and what separates the teams that will adapt from those that won’t. This episode is essential listening for CMOs and marketing leaders in travel and ecommerce who want to understand how AI is changing search behaviour, how to stay visible in a world of conversational discovery, and how to build a marketing system that drives both demand and conversion. Matthew Gardiner is a fractional marketing leader and growth partner to travel brands and destinations. He has led global marketing functions within FTSE 100 organisations, including International Airlines Group, and advises businesses on brand strategy, performance marketing, and growth in rapidly evolving digital environments. Flipping the Playbook is a podcast for CMOs in enterprise businesses, featuring conversations with marketing leaders who are challenging conventional thinking and navigating the transformation of marketing. Hosted by: Reza Moaiandin https://salt.agency/contact/ Guest: Matthew Gardiner https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewgardiner/

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  Episode #6

  How to build, position, and scale a trust-based B2B company, with SeedLegals' Anthony Rose | 006

  Mar 23, 202648 minS1

  In this episode of Flipping the Playbook , Reza Moaiandin sits down with Anthony Rose, co-founder of SeedLegals and creator of BBC iPlayer, to explore how one of the most complex and opaque processes in business — fundraising — has been fundamentally rethought. From simplifying legal complexity to building trust at scale, this conversation is a masterclass in identifying broken systems and rebuilding them around clarity, speed, and user needs. Follow Anthony on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anrose/ Please like, subscribe and share this podcast.

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