Grow Your Camp

Welcome to the Grow Your Camp Podcast: 'Cause You Can't Minister to Empty Beds Where we share stories and systems to help camps grow. Hosts: Mark P. Fisher , of Inspiring Growth Carl Lefever , of Improve & Grow Overview: Most camp directors didn't sign up to be marketers. They signed up because they know what happens to a kid who spends a week away from everything — and they wanted to be part of it. But empty beds are a real problem, and figuring out how to fill them, fund the mission,

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  Episode #19

  EP 19 | The Hidden Reason Camp Websites Lose Registrations

  Jul 31, 202655 minS1

  Most camp websites unintentionally make it harder for visitors to take the next step. A homepage has to introduce your ministry, answer questions, and guide visitors in multiple directions. A landing page has one job: help the right visitor take one specific action. Oscar Quesada, CEO of Lifedge Marketing , explains why focused landing pages consistently outperform general website pages for camp registrations, retreat bookings, and facility rentals. He shares the framework his team uses to build pages that remove confusion, build trust, and improve conversions. You'll learn what separates a landing page from a standard website page, the biggest mistakes camps make, and the key elements every high-converting page should include, including clear messaging, testimonials, FAQs, pricing, compelling calls to action, and social proof. Oscar also shares a real-world example where a targeted landing page and modest Google Ads campaign generated more than $100,000 in retreat bookings. Along with the incredible insights from Oscar, Mark encourages camp leaders to price confidently as costs increase while rewarding loyal families with meaningful early-bird incentives. Registering campers before they leave camp, or shortly afterward, can improve retention, strengthen cash flow, and help families commit before they begin comparing other camps. As Mark reminds listeners, "The best time to sell next summer is this summer." Keywords landing pages, camp websites, camp marketing, retreat center marketing, website conversions, Google Ads, Christian camps, camp registration, facility rentals, SEO, website optimization, Lifedge Marketing Sound Bites "The best time to sell next summer is this summer." "The right message, to the right audience, at the right time." "People need to understand what you do in the first 10 seconds." "Marketing is a bunch of experiments." Hosts Mark P. Fisher, Inspiring Growth Carl Lefever, Improve & Grow Guest Oscar Quesada, Lifedge Marketing Resources Lifedge Marketing Website > Landing Page Best Practices Guide > If you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes. Have a question you'd like us to cover? Click here to record your question > Want Help Growing Your Camp? Click here to schedule a call > Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: WSSYZ6CNOPQMOVKN

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  Episode #18

  EP 18 | The Missing Sales System Behind Camp Growth

  Jul 24, 20261 hourS1

  Most camps assume they need more inquiries to grow their guest group business, but many already have enough opportunities—they simply need a better system for converting them. Sustainable growth comes from responding quickly, building trust throughout the sales process, and creating consistent follow-up that helps prospective groups confidently choose your camp. Carl opens the episode with a practical marketing tip reminding camp leaders that every inquiry has an expiration date. He explains why responding within one business day, following up consistently, scheduling clear next steps, and tracking every opportunity in a CRM dramatically increases the likelihood of turning inquiries into bookings. As Carl says, marketing creates opportunities, but sales turns those opportunities into ministry and revenue. Mark is joined by Lindy Pinkerton and Heather Trail from Inspiring Growth to discuss how virtual sales support is helping camps strengthen their guest group sales process without adding the cost and complexity of expanding their internal staff. They share practical insights on qualifying leads, building stronger relationships with prospective groups, simplifying contracts, improving communication, and creating systems that ensure every inquiry receives the attention it deserves. Throughout the conversation, they explain how becoming an extension of a camp's team—not simply an outside vendor—helps camps increase bookings, improve rebooking rates, and build sustainable long-term growth through better sales systems. Keywords virtual sales, guest group sales, camp CRM, camp marketing, Christian camps, retreat center marketing, follow-up systems, lead conversion, guest group bookings, sales process, HubSpot CRM, camp growth Sound Bites "The fortune is in the follow-up." "We don't use 'they.' We say 'we.' We are your people." “If you follow up more than the other person and better than the other person you can often win them.” "Marketing creates opportunities. Sales turns those opportunities into ministry and revenue." “What camp can do in the life of a child and adult can change a family, can change a generation.” Hosts Mark P. Fisher, Inspiring Growth Carl Lefever, Improve & Grow Guests Lindy Pinkerton, Virtual Sales at Inspiring Growth Heather Trail, Virtual Sales at Inspiring Growth Resources Talk with Inspiring Growth About Virtual Sales If you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes. Have a question you'd like us to cover? Click here to record your question > Want Help Growing Your Camp? Click here to schedule a call > Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: IDLLDBWXQ4LNTQFY

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  Episode #17

  EP 17 | Your Camp Isn't Full (Even If You Think It Is)

  Jul 17, 20261h 7mS1

  Most camps assume they need more marketing to grow. Mark Fisher argues many actually have a capacity problem hiding in plain sight. Before diving into the main conversation, Mark shares a practical camp marketing tip: share benefits, not just features. Instead of simply promoting climbing walls, zip lines, or beautiful facilities, camps should tell stories that demonstrate real transformation. Parents and retreat planners don't just want information, they want evidence that camp changes lives. By documenting one authentic story each week, camps can create more compelling marketing that connects emotionally with future guests. The main conversation introduces Capacity Yield Management, a practical approach to helping camps generate more revenue, serve more guests, and strengthen long-term sustainability by making better use of the facilities they already have. Through real-world examples, Mark and Carl explain why "full" often isn't actually full, how outdated booking practices quietly cost camps thousands of dollars, and why better stewardship of existing resources can unlock significant growth. You'll learn how to evaluate true capacity, manage reservation holds, determine when exclusive use makes financial sense, balance multiple guest groups, identify hidden facility constraints, and build the operational systems that maximize both ministry impact and financial health. Keywords capacity yield management, camp occupancy, camp revenue, retreat center management, Christian camps, camp marketing, storytelling marketing, guest group bookings, exclusive use, camp operations, camp leadership, camp stewardship Sound Bites “I've seen camps over and over increase monthly income by 30 % just by maximizing their occupancy.” “Combine, cancel, create, and cram. The four C's of yield management.” “Sometimes you have to cancel or prune, in order to have more growth.” “Maybe curiosity is one of the fastest paths back to joy.” “People don't just want more information. They want evidence. Evidence through story that your camp is changing lives.” Hosts Mark P. Fisher, Inspiring Growth Carl Lefever, Improve &Grow Guest Mark P. Fisher, Inspiring Growth Resources The Spike of Success , by Mark P. Fisher If you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes. Have a question you'd like us to cover? Click here to record your question > Want Help Growing Your Camp? Click here to schedule a call > Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: IDLLDBWXQ4LNTQFY

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  Episode #16

  EP 16 | What Happens When Referrals Aren't Enough?

  Jul 11, 202652 minS1

  Many camps dream of growing their ministry, but sustainable growth rarely comes from a single campaign or one great season. It happens through consistent leadership, clear messaging, intentional systems, and a willingness to confront the obstacles holding a camp back. Mark opens the episode with a practical marketing tip on selling the problem before the program , explaining why camps should lead with the challenges their guests already feel, not simply the name or date of an event. When people recognize a problem they're trying to solve, they're far more likely to engage with your camp's solution. Dave Crouse, Executive Director of Angeles Crest Christian Camp, shares the remarkable story of taking over a camp that couldn't pay its electric bill and transforming it into a thriving ministry serving nearly 7,000 guests each year. Dave discusses the leadership decisions that changed the trajectory of the camp, including clarifying the camp's brand, improving its digital presence, embracing data-driven decision making, and investing consistently in both facilities and people. He also explains how sustained growth strengthened donor confidence, funded major capital improvements, and positioned the camp to pursue even bigger ministry opportunities, including a bold vision to serve 10,000 guests annually. Throughout the conversation, Dave reminds camp leaders that growth begins by honestly identifying the one or two obstacles preventing your camp from moving forward and intentionally building systems to overcome them. Keywords camp leadership, camp marketing, Christian camps, retreat center marketing, nonprofit marketing, camp growth, branding, digital marketing, donor development, guest group marketing, executive director, stewardship Sound Bites "My first day on the job, I was told that we were financially in the hole and that we didn't have enough money to pay the electric bill” "Sell the problem before the program" "I had to come to that realization what I had in the past was not gonna happen and and lead to growth now." "When you start to get that consistent growth, a lot of other things come with it." Hosts Mark P. Fisher https://go.inspiringgrowth.biz/ Carl Lefever https://improveandgrow.com/industries/camp-marketing/ Guest Dave Crouse Executive Director, Angeles Crest Christian Camp Resources Angeles Crest Christian Camp https://angelescrest.com The Paine Protocol by Mark P. Fisher Have a question you'd like us to cover? Click here to record your question > Want Help Growing Your Camp? Click here to schedule a call > If you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes. Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: MUOXNEDI4J6OKCXV

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  Episode #15

  EP 15 | How Camps Can Build a Referral System That Actually Works

  Jul 3, 202632 minS1

  Word-of-mouth has always been one of the strongest drivers of camp growth, but for many camps, it's still an informal process that's impossible to measure or improve. Peter Elbaum, owner of Camp Tree and Operations Director at Greystone Camp, shares how camps can turn referrals into a repeatable growth system. Drawing from both his camp leadership experience and software engineering background, Peter explains why great systems free camp staff to focus on relationships instead of repetitive administrative work. Mark and Carl also discuss why referrals consistently outperform many other marketing channels, how camps can reward families and staff without creating unnecessary complexity, and why measuring referral performance is essential for long-term growth. Peter shares practical examples from more than 100 camps using Camp Tree, including how one camp achieved a 15x return on investment by replacing guesswork with measurable referral tracking. Keywords camp referrals, referral marketing, Camp Tree, camper enrollment, staff recruitment, camp growth, word of mouth marketing, CampMinder integration, ambassador programs, camp operations, camp software, summer camp marketing Sound Bites "Camp needs to be referable." “Often at camp, it seems like the default is to work harder and not necessarily smarter." "You can't manage what you don't measure." Hosts Mark P. Fisher, Inspiring Growth Carl Lefever, Improve & Grow Guest Peter Elbaum, Camp Tree Chapters 00:03 Introduction and Setting the Scene 00:30 The Power of Camp Ministry 01:00 Building Relationships Through Camp Experiences 02:09 Marketing Insights: The Importance of Retargeting 05:43 Introducing Peter Elbaum and Camp Tree 07:49 Peter's Journey: From Camp to Tech 10:33 The Impact of Software Engineering on Camp Operations 12:15 Identifying Challenges in Camp Management 15:59 Acquiring Camp Tree: A New Chapter 18:16 The Value of Camp Tree for Camps 20:46 Referral Programs: What Works? 24:24 Success Stories: Measuring ROI with Camp Tree 26:51 Special Offer and Closing Thoughts Resources Camp Tree — https://camptree.org Promo Code: GYC26 for $150 off your first year of Camp Tree Camp Operations Newsletter — https://campoperations.com Have a question you'd like us to cover? Click here to record your question > Want Help Growing Your Camp? Click here to schedule a call > If you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes. Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: PBVNSIQCRJAN17OM

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