How Songs Make Money

How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds. Series 1, consisting of nine episodes, will be released weekly from September – December 2025. -- All views expressed on this podcast are those of the speakers, and do not necessarily represent the views of the University of Leeds, the School of Music, or any other organisation. Nothing in this podcast should be interpreted as business or legal advice.

How Songs Make Money is a music podcast hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, with 10 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

Dr Ellis Jones hosts How Songs Make Money, a music show with 10 episodes published.

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  Episode #9

  1.9 – Interview with Christopher Fox (new music composer; writer)

  Dec 11, 202537 minS1

  <p>How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.</p> <p>This week's episode offers an interview with Christopher Fox, a composer of new music, as well as a music scholar and writer. Christopher’s work has been performed and broadcast world-wide and has featured in many leading new music festivals, from the Amsterdam PROMS to the BBC Proms and from St Petersburg to Sydney. His work has been informed by close collaborations wi...

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  Episode #8

  1.8 – Student episode: Rossella Pia Scotti on Taylor Swift's masters

  Dec 4, 202518 minS1

  <p>How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.</p> <p> </p> <p>This week's episode is produced by Rose Pia Scotti, a member of the 2024/25 cohort on our Music Management MA course. Rose’s episode tells the story of Taylor Swift’s masters dispute, unpacking key terminology, introducing us to key individuals and companies involved, and drawing on various sources to give us a sense of the cultural and social impact of this...

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  Episode #7

  1.7 – Interview with Tony Orchudesch (founder, Torchlight Music)

  Nov 27, 202529 minS1

  <p>How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.</p> <p> </p> <p>This week's episode offers an interview with Tony Orchudesch, founder of Torchlight Music. Torchlight works with advertising agencies, broadcasters and producers to clear content for all forms of broadcast, and also has a roster of composers and arrangers, creating original music content and cover recordings for the media. In our interview we discuss the role of covers, re-recordings, and style-alikes i...

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  Episode #6

  1.6 - Student episode: William Gerrard on sampling, copyright, and society

  Nov 20, 202518 minS1

  <p>How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.</p> <p>This week's episode is produced by William Gerrard, a member of the 2024/25 cohort on our Music Management MA course. William’s episode explores the relationship between copyright law and sample-based music. He tells us about the emergence of sample-based genres like hip-hop in the 1970s, identifies the copyright laws involved in clearing samples for use in new recordings, and also considers the so...

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  Episode #5

  1.5 – Interview with Lily Blakeney-Edwards (Client Manager, Sentric)

  Nov 13, 202530 minS1

  <p>How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.</p> <p> </p> <p>This week's episode offers an interview with Lily Blakeney-Edwards. Lily is Client Manager at Sentric Music, a music publisher which represents over 400,000 artists across the world. In this role Lily has worked with a range of emerging talent and established artists, and within the past year alone she has worked with Sound City, Jazz North and The Great Escape, and gi...

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