Episode #71
Guardrails, Guidelines, and Joe's Joyful Journey with Joe Wyrwas
This week Rachel sits down with Joe Wyrwas - leadership coach, tech executive, and licensed skydiver - for a conversation that moves from free-falling at 120 mph to the everyday practices that build trust on a team. Joe walks us through his path from being terrified of heights to becoming a licensed skydiver with 700 jumps, and what that journey has taught him about leadership. He shares the concept of "guardrails and guidelines" - a framework straight out of his skydiving training - and why naming the guardrails for your team actually builds trust instead of breaking it. He also talks about the harder skill underneath it all: letting go, and trusting your people to fly on their own even when they'd do it differently than you would. The conversation takes a fascinating turn into data when Joe explains why he tracked every single minute of his life for four years and what finally made him stop. It's not the tracking that changes anything, he says, it's the awareness, and eventually, the willingness to actually act on it. That leads into a discussion of performance versus clarity, and why so many teams right now - especially around AI adoption - are measuring the wrong things entirely. Rachel and Joe also get into what it looks like to lead without a title, starting with genuine curiosity about what other people care about and why they're in the room. Joe breaks down what "intentional feedback" really means, beyond just being direct with someone, and shares how he and his team at Anthem Engineering cultivate joy and fun at work on purpose - including a personalized gift tradition that shows people they're truly known. The episode closes with Joe's theme for the year, Joe's Joyful Journey, and his reminder that joy tends to show up in the small, ordinary moments rather than the big ones. Mentioned in this episode: Hobie Youth Leadership, the program Joe has volunteered with for 13 years; Succeed by Heidi Grant Halverson, his book recommendation on goal setting; Greg De Koker and his podcast Joy Squared, the source of the "laughter in the hallway" question; and Living with a SEAL by Jesse Itzler, Rachel's reference on time awareness. Connect with Joe on LinkedIn, where he posts leadership content several times a week - DM him the word "joy" to let him know you found him through this episode for a special surprise. Learn more about his work at Wiser with Joe. If this episode gave you a little more joy today, share it with someone who needs it — and don't forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


