Lazy Leverage

Talking about using leverage in life and business.

Lazy Leverage is a business podcast hosted by Jon Matzner and Peter Lohmann, with 100 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

Jon Matzner and Peter Lohmann hosts Lazy Leverage, a business show with 100 episodes published.

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  Episode #122

  Giving Everybody Claude Won't Make You Money | Lazy Leverage #122

  Aug 18, 202645 min

  Electrifying the factory didn't make anyone money. Owners pulled the steam engine out, dropped an electric motor in, and changed nothing else about how the floor was laid out. A Stanford economist wrote the paper on it in 1989, and Jon thinks it's the most useful thing you can read about AI right now. In this one: why global talent made it to phase two while AI is still stuck at phase zero, what a leasing manager actually does with the two hours AI saves her, and the Fortune 500 that got quoted $80,000 for a single agent. Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 01:29 - Welcome to Lazy Leverage 02:05 - Electrifying the Factory Floor 05:48 - Phase One: Global Talent as Lazy Replacement 08:27 - Phase Two: Hiring What You Couldn't Afford 13:17 - AI Is Doing the Same Thing Again 15:24 - Phase Zero: Where AI Actually Is 19:43 - Why Nobody Wants to Redesign the Factory 24:51 - Fantasizing About an AI Native Property Manager 28:34 - The Rolls-Royce Lesson on Domain Knowledge 30:53 - It's 1998 and a Pullback Is Coming 35:56 - The Fortune 500 That Got Quoted $80,000 40:49 - Revenue Growing Agents, and Raising the Bar References Mentioned in This Episode - Papers: David, P. A. (1989). Computer and dynamo: The modern productivity paradox in a not-too-distant mirror. Center for Economic Policy Research, Stanford University. Books: Taleb, N. N. (2012). Antifragile: Things that gain from disorder. Random House. Goldratt, E. M. (1984). The goal: A process of ongoing improvement. North River Press. People & Frameworks Cited: Paul David, Stanford economist, on the productivity paradox Nassim Nicholas Taleb, and the Lindy effect Eliyahu Goldratt, and Theory of Constraints Derek Turner Rolls-Royce, and the aftermarket service gap on its gas turbines Pets.com RL Property Management, Peter's company Tools Mentioned in the Episode: Claude Code, Claude Cowork, ServiceTitan, AppFolio, LeadSimple, Airtable, DocuSign, Google Workspace, Notion, Meta Ray-Ban smart glasses Related Reading: Jon's newsletter on this exact idea: https://lazyleverage.beehiiv.com/p/you-won-t-make-any-more-money The 1989 paper: https://ageconsearch.umn.edu/record/268373/ Follow Jon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonmatzner/ | https://x.com/MatznerJon | https://jonmatzner.com/ Follow Peter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pslohmann/ | https://x.com/pslohmann | https://www.peterlohmann.com/ Brought to you by Sagan Passport: https://saganpassport.com Schedule a free consulting session: https://www.saganpassport.com/free-consultation Join Crane, Peter's community for property management operators. Next application window is September 25: https://www.joincrane.co/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LazyLeverageofficial Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/763FBQuzXqTqJ3mb837WbW

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  Episode #121

  Three companies, one HR director | Lazy Leverage #121

  Aug 11, 202633 min

  Jessica Doyle's CEO and CFO were hand-building the company's reports in Excel. The formulas kept breaking, which meant the owners of the business were the ones fixing them. So Centennial went looking for a teammate who worked opposite hours, and the fix would be waiting before anyone logged on. In this one: what it takes to run people operations across three companies at once, why HR's love of process makes global hiring feel like breaking a rule, and what changes when a talent leader stops being reactive and starts planning ahead. Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 01:05 - Welcome to Lazy Leverage 01:15 - Three Companies, One HR Team 04:14 - What Managers Misunderstand About People 07:50 - The CEO and CFO Were Building the Reports 11:33 - The Prep Cook Model, and Why It Blooms 13:50 - Building Marketing, Then Building HR 17:32 - HR and the Habit of Saying No 21:24 - Start New Concepts or Buy Old Ones 23:42 - Where Are Your Employee Records 26:32 - Advice for HR Leaders Going Global 29:46 - Visit Your Team, It's a Business Expense References Mentioned in This Episode - Quotes Referenced: Jessica Doyle on management: "You're not just managing somebody else's workload. You're managing people's feelings, and people's personal lives." The leadership framework Jon cites at Sagan: habit one is know and take care of your people, habit two is communicate about performance, positive and negative. People & Companies Cited: Centennial Investment Partners, and the three companies Jessica covers: Loved Veterinary Services, in-home euthanasia and end-of-life care for pets; Dayrise Wellness, mental health therapy for all ages; and The Autism Therapy Group, one-on-one ABA therapy for children and young adults with autism Tools Mentioned in the Episode: ADP, Indeed, Excel, HRIS, Sagan AI agents Follow Jon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonmatzner/ | https://x.com/MatznerJon | https://jonmatzner.com/ Follow Jessica Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-doyle-81222aa7/ | https://centennialinvestmentpartners.com/ Brought to you by Sagan Passport: https://saganpassport.com Schedule a free consulting session: https://www.saganpassport.com/free-consultation YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LazyLeverageofficial Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/763FBQuzXqTqJ3mb837WbW Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lazy-leverage/id1777098486

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  Episode #120

  You Need to Get Good at Wasting Time | Lazy Leverage #120

  Aug 4, 202652 min

  Juan is who Jon becomes when he finally takes real time off. There is a specific shirt, one extra button undone, a jacuzzi and a cocktail. Then something breaks at the company, the shirt comes off, and Jon is back. In this one: the AI that told Jon to sit on the beach and not write about it, the three categories Arthur Brooks says will make you good at leisure, and the fourth one Peter's grandfather figured out that Brooks left off the list. Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 00:59 - Welcome to Lazy Leverage 01:39 - Brought to You by Sagan Passport 02:59 - Leisure Is a Skill for Strivers 07:51 - The Irony of Leisure Maxing 10:46 - David Choe and Art With No Purpose 12:46 - Alan Watts and Designing Your Environment 17:05 - The Asset That Never Hits the Balance Sheet 20:00 - Cocktail Hour at the Cottage 23:20 - Meet Juan, Jon's Leisure Alter Ego 27:09 - Category 1: Learning Things You Don't Have To 31:51 - Category 2: Relationships Nobody Pays For 35:57 - Category 3: Getting Philosophically Deeper 39:56 - The Missing Fourth Category: Wasting Time 43:48 - Why Your Best Ideas Arrive at Rest 48:42 - The Head Trash Around Taking Time Off References Mentioned in This Episode - Books: The School of Life & de Botton, A. (2016). Small pleasures. The School of Life Press. (Jon refers to it as "Simple Pleasures" in the episode.) The School of Life. (2021). A simpler life: A guide to greater serenity, ease, and clarity. The School of Life Press. Putnam, R. D. (2000). Bowling alone: The collapse and revival of American community. Simon & Schuster. Allen, D. (2001). Getting things done: The art of stress-free productivity. Viking. Quotes Referenced: Alan Watts (paraphrased): if you live for a goal that sits in front of you, you will still be living in the future once you reach it. Arthur Brooks (paraphrased): leisure is not compensated, but it enriches us and it makes us better. Rob Dyrdek: "You can do exactly what you intended to do and still have a terrible experience. That's why we use Energy Ratings in Existence." Jeff Bezos (paraphrased): a senior executive only needs to make a small number of high-quality decisions a year. People & Frameworks Cited: Arthur Brooks, Harvard Business School, on leisure as a developed skill Alain de Botton, Swiss-born philosopher and founder of The School of Life Alan Watts, philosopher David Choe, artist, painted the mural in Facebook's first office Rob Dyrdek, founder of Existence, the time-tracking platform behind the calendar Robert Putnam, Bowling Alone, on the loss of third places Wim Hof, breath work Crane Breaks, Peter's month-off practice Tools Mentioned in the Episode: Claude, Zapier, Notion, Slack, Riverside, Meta Ray-Ban smart glasses Related Reading: Arthur Brooks on why leisure is a skill worth developing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Sk2LgtJno Follow Jon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonmatzner/ | https://x.com/MatznerJon | https://jonmatzner.com/ Follow Peter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pslohmann/ | https://x.com/pslohmann | https://www.peterlohmann.com/ Brought to you by Sagan Passport: https://saganpassport.com Schedule a free consulting session: https://www.saganpassport.com/free-consultation Join Crane, Peter's community for property management operators: https://www.joincrane.co/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LazyLeverageofficial Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/763FBQuzXqTqJ3mb837WbW

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  Episode #119

  I'd Put These $300 Glasses on Every Employee | Lazy Leverage #119

  Jul 28, 202639 min

  Jon bought a pair of Meta Ray-Ban smart glasses to take pictures with his kids without pulling his phone out. Weeks later, he's texting his AI agent from them, dictating voice memos into Codex hands-free, and rebuilding how his content workflow captures footage. In this one: why he'd put a set on every employee if he still ran a home services business, the backdoor around Meta's ecosystem that lets you route commands to any AI agent, and why the future of field ops looks a lot like a body cam. Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 01:40 - Meta Ray-Bans: What They Actually Do 02:53 - The Fantasy: Fewer Screens, More Leverage 09:03 - Texting Your AI Agent (The Meta Backdoor) 14:33 - Long-Form Voice Notes via Google Voice 20:49 - Give Every Crew a Set: The Content Machine 25:25 - Live Event Coverage That Actually Works 29:21 - Master Plumber / Junior Plumber Leverage 32:22 - The Body Cam for Your Business 36:20 - How do you picture a year in your head? 38:32 - Wrap + Next Week Tease References Mentioned in This Episode - Quotes Referenced: Leonardo da Vinci: "Men of lofty genius sometimes accomplish the most when they work the least, for their minds are occupied with their ideas and the perfection of their conceptions, to which they afterwards give form." (Recorded in Vasari's Lives of the Artists.) Tools Mentioned in the Episode: Meta Ray-Ban smart glasses, OpenAI Codex, Claude, Google Voice, AgentMail, Zapier, Airtable, AppFolio, Slack, HubSpot, NFC tags Follow Jon: https://x.com/MatznerJon | https://jonmatzner.com/ Follow Peter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pslohmann/ | https://www.peterlohmann.com/ Brought to you by Sagan Passport: https://saganpassport.com Schedule a free consulting session: https://www.saganpassport.com/free-consultation Join Crane, Peter's community for property management operators: https://www.joincrane.co/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LazyLeverageofficial Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/763FBQuzXqTqJ3mb837WbW Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lazy-leverage/id1777098486

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  Episode #118

  The Airbnb Tax Hack Is a Trap | Lazy Leverage #118

  Jul 21, 202657 min

  Every entrepreneur who writes their first six-figure check to the IRS hears the same pitch: buy an Airbnb, use the depreciation to wipe out your active income, save a fortune on taxes. Peter and Jon spent months looking at it. They're both saying no. In this one: why the Airbnb tax hack is a trap, what post-economic living looks like, and the four escape routes every operator considers when the tax bill hits (and why most cost more than they save). Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 01:17 - Peter's Two-Night Think Week 05:35 - Your First Six-Figure Check to the IRS 10:55 - The Four Tax Escape Options 13:05 - Donor Advised Funds & Foundations 16:47 - Starting a Business Just for Depreciation 22:25 - Read the Primary Sources 26:00 - Real Estate Professional Status & the Depreciation Play 33:45 - The Short-Term Rental Loophole (And Why It Sucks) 39:46 - The Sagan Retreat House Play 43:20 - Real Estate for Preservation, Not Deal-Making 54:08 - We're Post-Economic References Mentioned in This Episode - Books: Grann, D. (2023). The wager: A tale of shipwreck, mutiny and murder. Doubleday. The School of Life & de Botton, A. (2016). Small pleasures. The School of Life Press. Forester, C. S. (1937). Beat to quarters. Little, Brown. O'Brian, P. (1969). Master and commander. J. B. Lippincott. Quotes Referenced: Sam Altman (paraphrased): "Unless the opportunity is so good that it makes the rest of your career up to that point look like a footnote, you don't do it." People & Frameworks Cited: Thomas Kopelman, financial advisor at AllStreet Wealth Moses Kagan, Adaptive Real Estate Logan Rankin, real estate operator Follow Jon: https://x.com/MatznerJon | https://jonmatzner.com/ Follow Peter: https://x.com/pslohmann | https://www.peterlohmann.com/ Brought to you by Sagan Passport: https://saganpassport.com Schedule a free consulting session: https://www.saganpassport.com/free-consultation Join Crane, Peter's community for property management operators: https://www.joincrane.co/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LazyLeverageofficial Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/763FBQuzXqTqJ3mb837WbW Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lazy-leverage/id1777098486

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