Legal Soundings

Legal Soundings is a conversation series from Harbor Global exploring how innovation, technology, and leadership are reshaping the legal industry. Each episode features a rotating Harbor host, an internal subject-matter expert, and an external guest who brings a frontline perspective on emerging challenges and opportunities. Together, they break down real-world trends, from AI, to change management and the future of work, in a clear, accessible, and actionable way.Subscribe for practical insights, thoughtful conversations, and a smarter view of where the legal world is heading.

Legal Soundings is a business podcast hosted by Harbor, with 13 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80.

Harbor hosts Legal Soundings, a business show with 13 episodes published.

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  Episode #2

  Human at the Gate: Why a Curious Culture Beats the Best AI Tools | Legal Soundings S2E2

  Sep 23, 202640 minS2

  Where does human judgment belong once AI moves out of the pilot and into real legal work? Justin Hectus, Managing Director at Harbor Labs, sits down with Eric Dodson-Greenberg, EVP and Chief Legal Officer of Cox Media Group, to unpack his "human at the gate" thesis. Eric's core argument: the value of AI in legal is technology plus anthropology. The tools are only as good as the culture using them, and a curious, motivated team with a decent tool will beat a cautious, indifferent team with the best tool in the world. The conversation covers: Why curiosity, critical thinking, and liberal-arts training matter more in the AI era, not less Off-label uses: pushing vendors as thought partners to adapt tools for problems they weren't built to solve Why "start now, make small bets" beats waiting for the perfect tool Human oversight as an accountability question, not a friction-point map Why legal ops has to be in the room, and why legal may be the on-ramp for enterprise AI adoption Leading by "bad example": modeling that it's okay to try and not have it figured out Owning that AI is more work before it's less The "golden age" of ALSPs and the coming convergence of AI-native and legacy law firms About Legal Soundings: Legal Soundings is Harbor's podcast exploring how technology, leadership, and innovation are reshaping the business of law. Each episode features a rotating Harbor host and expert voices from across the legal ecosystem. Learn more about Harbor: https://harborglobal.com

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  From AI Race to Real Value: ILTACON 2026 Takeaways | Legal Soundings S2E1

  Sep 10, 202631 minS2

  ILTACON 2026 was the biggest in the event's history — 5,600 attendees, three times the booth tonnage, billboards on every wall, and a Sheryl Crow concert. But behind the spectacle, the legal industry is wrestling with harder questions: who is actually buying AI, how do you price work that takes 10 minutes instead of an hour, and is any of this generating real value yet? In the Season 2 premiere of Legal Soundings, host Justin Farmer (Practice Group Leader, Enterprise Solutions, Harbor) debriefs with Cate Giordano (Staff Writer, Legal Tech Hub) and Joe Patrice (Senior Editor, Above the Law) on what they heard on the floor and where the second half of the year is headed. The conversation covers the shift away from the "one AI platform to rule them all" race, why buying power is swinging back toward individual lawyers, the law-school playbook vendors like Harvey are borrowing from Lexis and Westlaw, the Harvard finding that 0% of firms have a mature framework for measuring AI's business impact, the pricing debate (faster doesn't mean cheaper), token costs and the $10,000 billable hour, what corporate legal departments are really buying and why, the $2B+ in legal tech funding tracked this year, and a rapid-fire look at bubbles, model agnosticism, and e-discovery. In this episode: Joe's "wheat vs. chaff" takeaway: there's no winning the platform race — only building good products underneath Who was in the room: directors and managers over a third, CIOs 3%, attorneys just 1% The Lexis/Westlaw "points and pizza parties" model and who's running it now Why 0% of surveyed firms can measure AI's business impact (Harvard Legal Lab) Pricing: hourly vs. value-based vs. subscription vs. AFAs — and why everyone's take is self-serving Why "pass the AI costs to us" from in-house counsel is "adorable" What corporate legal is actually buying: contract tools, not bet-the-company litigation ILTACON as a marketing and capital-markets event Predictions: frontier model bubble, model agnosticism, funding cooling, e-discovery heating up About Legal Soundings Legal Soundings is Harbor's podcast exploring how technology, leadership, and innovation are reshaping the business of law. Each episode features a rotating Harbor host and expert voices from across the legal ecosystem. Learn more about Harbor: https://harborglobal.com

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  Episode #11

  When Sales Culture Wins: Inside the BD Program behind Benesch's decade of growth | Legal Soundings EP11

  Jun 24, 202631 minS1

  Sales culture in law firms isn't about turning lawyers into sellers. It's about the structures, incentives, and shared accountability that make growth a team habit — and Benesch has built one of the best. In this episode, Zena Applebaum is joined by Kori Fahrner (Business Development Manager, Benesch) and Beth Cuzzone (VP, Global Growth Marketing, Intapp, and co-founder of LASSO — the Legal Sales and Service Organization) to unpack how Benesch became the first firm to win two LASSO awards back-to-back. The conversation moves from the Team Everest rainmaker program and its 327% revenue growth, to whether that success is replicable, to why technology should be a system of action rather than a system of record — and the human relationships that AI frees up, not replaces. What you'll hear: Why sales culture is about systems and incentives, not training lawyers to sell Inside Team Everest: How a 19-partner program scaled past 35 and helped drive 327% revenue growth Whether Benesch's results are replicable, or down to culture Why recognition programs only work when tied to a broader culture CRM as a "system of action," not a database — and AI as a coworker The one non-tech tool every BD team needs: real transparency and collaboration Lightning round: the biggest myths, what firms still get wrong, and the voice of the client Guests: Kori Fahrner, Business Development Manager, Benesch Friedlander Coplan & Aronoff LLP Beth Cuzzone, VP, Global Growth Marketing, Intapp; Co-Founder, LASSO Host: Zena Applebaum, Head of Marketing, Harbor About Legal Soundings: Legal Soundings is Harbor's podcast exploring how technology, leadership, and innovation are reshaping the business of law. Each episode features a rotating Harbor host and expert voices from across the legal ecosystem. Learn more about Harbor: https://harborglobal.com Subscribe and turn on notifications so you don't miss the next episode.

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  Episode #10

  You Can’t Buy Maturity: Legal Ops from Startup to Global Scale | Legal Soundings EP10

  Jun 11, 202627 minS1

  <p>You can buy tools. You can’t buy maturity. That’s the throughline as two legal ops leaders at opposite ends of the scale spectrum compare notes on building a function that actually changes how a legal department works.</p><p>In this episode, Kevin Clem is joined by Adam Becker (Director of Legal Operations, Cockroach Labs) and Donovan Bell (Head of Global Legal Operations, Intel) — both CLOC board members — to unpack what legal ops maturity really means. From standing up a function in weeks at a 500-person startup to keeping legal ops strategic (and not bureaucratic) across thousands of peopl...

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  Episode #9

  The Future of CRM in Legal: Intelligence, AI, and What Comes Next | Legal Soundings EP09

  May 20, 202632 minS1

  <p>CRM has been a fixture in law firms for decades — yet attorney adoption has dropped from 29% to 18% over the past year. Is CRM broken, or are we measuring success the wrong way?</p><p>In this episode, Zena Applebaum is joined by Laura Saklad (VP, Legal Industry, Intapp) and Sarah Happy (Director, Marketing Technology, Harbor) to unpack where CRM stands today and where agentic AI is taking it next. The conversation moves from why "attorney logins" is the wrong KPI, to what an agentic CRM workflow actually looks like, to the realities of headless CRM in a legal context — and...

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