New Law Order is a podcast about the business of Big Law and the technologies remaking it. Hosts Joel Cohen (founder of TalksOnLaw) and Professor John Morley (Yale Law School) interview the lawyers, founders, academics, and judges quietly, and not so quietly, rewiring the legal industry.Each episode is a candid, on-the-record conversation about what is actually happening inside the world's most prestigious law firms, the rise of AI and legal technology in legal practice, the economics of the modern partnership, litigation finance, the future of associate work, and the structural shifts the legal industry would rather not talk about... but must.Recent guests include: - Brad Karp, Former Chairman, Paul, Weiss - John Quinn, founder, Quinn Emanuel - Chris Bogart, co-founder & CEO, Burford Capital - Mike Gerstenzang, former managing partner of Cleary Gottlieb - Jason Boehmig, CEO, Ironclad - Gretta Rusanow, Head of Advisory Services, Citi Law Firm Gr
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CJ Mahoney (Meta): Inside Counsel at Scale
May 26, 20261h 13mS1
<p>In this episode of New Law Order, Joel Cohen and Yale Law Professor John Morley speak with CJ Mahoney, Chief Legal Officer of Meta, about one of the hardest legal questions facing modern technology companies: when a product becomes deeply woven into daily life, how should the law think about harm, responsibility, and regulation? Drawing on a career that has taken him from Williams & Connolly to the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, Microsoft, and now Meta, Mahoney offers an unusually candid look at what it means to serve as the top lawyer inside a company operating at...
Richard Sander (UCLA Law): A Mismatch Critique of Affirmative Action
May 5, 20261h 7mS1
<p>Richard Sander, UCLA law professor and economist, has spent decades advancing one of the most controversial arguments in legal education: that large racial preferences in law school admissions may frequently harm the students they are intended to help. In this episode of New Law Order, Joel Cohen and Yale Law Professor John Morley speak with Sander about affirmative action, the Supreme Court’s decision in Students for Fair Admissions, and what new data may reveal about the future of law school admissions.</p><p></p><p>Sander explains his “mismatch” hypothesis: the claim that students admitted with very large academ...
Mike Gerstenzang (Cleary Gottlieb): AI from the Inside
Apr 7, 20260 minS1
<p>Michael A. Gerstenzang, the longtime managing partner and now senior partner of Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton, explains how he positioned one of the world's most established law firms to lead in AI adoption — not by outsourcing innovation, but by building it from the inside. The conversation traces a series of structural bets that began before generative AI entered the mainstream, starting with ClearyX, a wholly owned technology subsidiary launched in 2021 to reinvent M&A due diligence. Gerstenzang describes the venture's founding provocation — imagine the business that puts Cleary Gottlieb out of business, and build it — and how A/B testin...
<p>This week, we’re sharing a timely episode from a related TalksOnLaw podcast, AI Lawyer. In this episode, host Joel Cohen is joined by Judge Paul Grimm for a conversation about one of the most unsettling problems facing the legal system: what happens when audio, video, and other forms of evidence can be generated, manipulated, or challenged by artificial intelligence?</p><p></p><p>Judge Grimm explains how AI is already affecting the justice system long before trial, from predictive policing and facial recognition to risk-assessment tools like COMPAS. The episode explores how these systems can influence investigations, charging de...
Jason Boehmig (Ironclad): The Rise of the Legal Technologist
Mar 10, 20261h 18mS0
<p>Artificial intelligence is beginning to change not just how lawyers work, but what parts of the job remain distinctly human. In this episode of New Law Order, we speak with Jason Boehmig, founder and CEO of Ironclad, about how AI and legal technology are reshaping the structure of the legal profession.</p><p></p><p>Boehmig explains to hosts Joel and John that software is increasingly taking over the mechanical work of law—document manipulation, contract routing, approvals, and data extraction—freeing lawyers to focus on judgment, strategy, and legal reasoning. While this promises massive benifits to lawyers and their cli...
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