
On the X
Should AI Have Rights? Sebastian Mallaby on Consciousness, Morality, and Machines
In this episode of On The X, Chris sits down with journalist and senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, and the author of The Infinity Machine, Sebastian Mallaby. Having sat with the field’s biggest minds, from Hassabis to Geoffrey Hinton, Mallaby brings a rare mix of journalistic skepticism and genuine optimism to the AI debate. In this conversation, he takes us behind the scenes of his access to one of tech’s most private figures, and shares why, despite the doom-filled headlines, he wakes up every morning excited about what comes next. (00:00) - Why Mallaby wrote about AI (08:07) - Hassabis's origin story: chess prodigy to AGI pioneer (12:37) - The big ideas: information as reality and intelligence as pattern recognition (19:22) - Consciousness, machine rights, and morality (36:04) - Living with genius, the quest to understand reality, and whether we'll understand AI's discoveries (46:13) - A brief history of AI: 2012 breakthroughs, AlphaGo's Move 37, and the road to ChatGPT (54:48) - AI risk, regulation, the US-China problem, and why Mallaby stays optimistic Support the Mission: Become a $25/month recurring donor to the Navy SEAL Foundation and get our limited edition 250th U.S. Anniversary T-shirt. Join the mission at navysealfoundation.org/250 On the X is present by Luminox Watches https://luminox.com/ -Use code: onthex20 -20% off Luminox watches (excludes outlet items) -Valid only in the US -One use per customer On the X is an IRONCLAD Original More about The Navy SEAL Foundation: https://www.navysealfoundation.org/ Text ONTHEX to 60104 to sign up to receive updates from the Navy SEAL Foundation (NSF). By participating, you agree to our Mobile Terms and Conditions (60104-info.com) for recurring autodialed donation messages from NSF to the phone number you provide. Text STOP to end. Msg & data rates may apply. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/navysealfoundation/ https://www.instagram.com/thisisironclad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices






