Out Of Programme

The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.

Out Of Programme is a business podcast hosted by Unknown Host, with 37 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

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  Episode 36: Dr Nick Appelbaum on How Lord Darzi Changed His Career, Building the First Machine-Readable BNF, and Why Academic Projects Die Without Commercial Infrastructure

  Jul 29, 202645 min

  What happens when a South African surgeon gets plucked out by Lord Darzi, builds the first machine-readable BNF, and spins a company out of Imperial that reduces prescribing errors by 83%? In this episode, we speak with Dr Nick Appelbaum , a surgeon turned entrepreneur who went from inventing spreadsheet-based prescribing safety tools in South Africa to completing a PhD with Lord Ara Darzi at Imperial, leading clinical research at the Helix Centre, and founding Dosium — a company now integrating the BNF into NHS prescribing systems. How a "self-help program that grew out of hand" — inventing medication safety tools in South Africa's trauma centres — landed him a meeting with Lord Darzi ️ Why Lord Darzi laughed at his plan to do an immunology PhD at Oxford and instead put him on the 10th floor at St Mary's to build something real The seven-year journey to create the first machine-readable British National Formulary, working with the Royal Pharmaceutical Society Founding Dosium and integrating the BNF into NHS electronic prescribing — reducing the odds of a medication error by 83% across deployed trusts Why "academic projects die without putting the infrastructure in place upfront" — and how the NIHR I4I grant forced the spinout decision The advice he wishes he'd had earlier: "find the suits, speak to the CFO, validate the economic proposition early — don't leave it to the last minute" Nick's story is a masterclass in turning a clinical frustration into a national infrastructure play, with the right mentorship and institutional backing. Follow us on: Substack LinkedIn ▶ YouTube Listen on: Spotify | Apple Podcasts

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  Episode 35: Cosima Gretton on Leaving Medicine for Silicon Valley, Why Product Thinking Is the Opposite of Medical Training, and Scaling the UK's Biggest Health Research Programme

  Jul 14, 202640 min

  What happens when a doctor trained in experimental psychology leaves medicine in F2, builds products in Silicon Valley, runs a £10M/day COVID testing programme, and becomes Chief Product Officer of the UK's largest health research study? In this episode, we speak with Dr Cosima Gretton , a medical doctor who left clinical practice to pursue product management in the US, served as Deputy Director at NHS Test & Trace during the pandemic, and is now Chief Product Officer at Our Future Health — a research programme that has recruited over 2.5 million participants across the UK. • 🧠 Why studying human factors design and cross-modal integration at Oxford made her see clinical systems as fundamentally flawed — and why she couldn't unsee it • 🎨 Founding AXNS Collective as a medical student — bringing together artists, neuroscientists, and an LSD research project at Imperial College London • 🌉 How a friend's persistent invitation to apply for Singularity University in Silicon Valley changed the entire trajectory of her career • 🦠 Leading LAMP testing at NHS Test & Trace — the pressure of a 10-million-tests-per-day Christmas target and what it's like when government actually works at startup pace • 📊 Becoming CPO at Our Future Health and building the infrastructure to recontact 2.5 million participants for clinical research — and return their data back to them Cosima's story is a rare window into what happens when a clinician fully commits to the product discipline — and why the two mindsets are harder to reconcile than most people think. Follow us on: 🗞 Substack 💼 LinkedIn ▶ YouTube 🎧 Listen on: Spotify | Apple Podcasts

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  Episode 34: Dr Alastair Darwood on Selling a Startup in FY1, Licensing Medical Device IP Instead of Building Companies, and Why He Never Runs the Businesses He Creates

  Jun 30, 202649 min

  What happens when a medical student sells a surgical robotics startup before finishing FY1 — and then spends the next decade inventing devices he deliberately never runs? In this episode, we speak with Dr Alastair Darwood , a medical doctor with a bioengineering PhD who has built a career as an inventor and entrepreneur across medical devices, consumer hardware, and cycling technology. From orthopaedic robotics to analgesic masks to e-bikes, Alastair's playbook is always the same: invent, validate, license — then move on to the next problem. • 🔬 How he founded Prometheus Surgical as a medical student, raised £170k, and sold it to De Souter Medical in FY1 — the robot is now in use on patients as the Solito • 🫁 Building a low-cost ventilator during COVID with Red Bull Advanced Technologies — and why the project was shut down just as it started working • 🚴 Co-founding Scarpa, an e-bike electrification company with £14M raised and products now stocked in 70 UK shops — without touching the business side • 😷 Licensing an analgesic mask to Intersurgical that is currently in clinical trials at St Mary's — patient-controlled inhalational anaesthesia for procedures that don't need a GA • 🤖 Why AI has turned invention into Lego bricks — and how a project that would have taken a year now takes three weeks Alastair's story is a masterclass in finding your unfair advantage, building a playbook around it, and having the discipline to hand everything else to someone else. Follow us on: 🗞 Substack 💼 LinkedIn ▶ YouTube 🎧 Listen on: Spotify | Apple Podcasts

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  Episode 32: Dr Meenakshi Jhala on Why Clinicians Make the Best Investors, Building a Clinician-Led Angel Syndicate, and How to Break Into Healthcare VC

  Jun 2, 202640 minS0

  <p>What happens when a GP trainee with zero finance knowledge decides to break into healthcare VC — and ends up co-founding a clinician-led angel syndicate?</p><p>In this episode, we speak with Dr Meenakshi Jhala, NIHR Academic Clinical Fellow at King's College London, Chief of Staff at Syntax, and co-founder of Tiny Ventures and DX Capital — a clinician-led angel syndicate dedicated to funding the innovations healthcare actually needs.</p><p>• 🩺 Why guideline-driven medicine felt like being a tomato in a greenhouse — and what made her look beyond clinical training</p><p>• 📈 How she broke into healthcare VC as a fifth-year medic...

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  Episode 31: Dr Dom Pimenta on Why NHS IT Systems Fail, Building AI That Actually Helps Clinicians, and the Gap Between Innovation and Implementation

  May 19, 20261 hourS0

  <p>What happens when a cardiologist realises NHS IT is failing patients — and decides to build an AI clinician that actually listens?</p><p>In this episode, we speak with Dr Dom Pimenta, a former NHS cardiologist who left clinical practice to co-found Tortus AI, an intelligent ambient voice interface for clinicians backed by Entrepreneur First and Khosla Ventures.</p><p>🏥 Why Dom's Catholic upbringing and childhood obsession with death led him to medicine — and why he eventually left</p><p>🧠 The frustration of watching NHS IT systems fail clinicians and patients, and the moment he decided to build something better</p>...

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