Out of Step Podcast

A podcast for those who live in the ecosystem of supporting others—coaches, guides, facilitators, mentors, and more—who sense there’s more on the edges of these roles than the widely accepted norms. Through stories, reflections, and honest conversations, we offer a sense of belonging, a touch of disruption, and an invitation to walk your own way beneath “the work.” Not everything will resonate, and some of this may challenge what you currently believe (that's intentional). Listen with curiosity and an open heart—take what speaks to you, leave what doesn’t.

Out of Step Podcast is a society podcast hosted by Andrew Carruthers, with 16 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

Andrew Carruthers hosts Out of Step Podcast, a society show with 16 episodes published.

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  Episode #2

  EP16 The Massive Barrier of Beliefs w/ Jessica Burgio

  Aug 11, 20261h 21mS16

  "I suck at marketing." That's the story I've been telling myself for years... and it turns out it's less about tactics and more about a wall of shit I built out of my own integrity. My guest Jessica is exactly the kind of person who calls that forward... down-to-earth, spiritual as hell, and not afraid to swear and get real with us. I basically asked her to coach me live on the show... and she did not hold back. Meet Jessica Jessica Burgio is an authority strategist, business coach, speaker, and host of The Jessica Burgio Show. For 25+ years she's helped entrepreneurs become the obvious choice in their industry... clarifying their message, strengthening their reputation, and building businesses that create opportunity long before the sales pitch. Before coaching, she spent years behind the chair as a salon owner. My friend Jess is blunt, funny, and deeply spiritual all at once... exactly who I needed sitting across from me for this one. What We Get Into Why "I suck at marketing" is really a story about integrity, not skill The pendulum swing between discipline and letting yourself be human Reframing sales and marketing as authenticity instead of sleaze Money, worth, and being an emotional buyer What happens when your defenses come up... and listening deeper anyway Imposter syndrome as a sign you're leveling up Reps, consistency, and running your own race instead of everyone else's Human design, projectors, and why your gift doesn't need to be hustled The time machine question... and the gift Jess would give her younger self Connect w/ Jess Instagram - @jessicaburgio Mastermind, One to One Coaching, and Podcast - jessicaburgio.com Chapters 00:00 - Intro: the story behind "I suck at marketing" 05:34 - Checking in: back pain, presence, and the lessons in the body 11:01 - Being human out loud: pendulum swings and permission 14:47 - Turning the episode into a live coaching session 16:45 - Reframing sales, marketing, and creativity as authenticity 22:28 - Money stories, being an emotional buyer, and learning from mentors 27:40 - When your defenses come up... listening deeper instead of arguing 32:06 - Imposter syndrome as confirmation you're leveling up 43:32 - Reps, consistency, and running your own race 52:36 - Algorithm fatigue and adjusting to what actually works 56:08 - Human design, projectors, and owning your gift 1:09:25 - The time machine question and closing gifts

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  Episode #15

  EP15 Life is a Poem, Not a Documentary

  Jul 28, 202621 minS2

  In full transparency, this solo episode took me way longer to sit down and record than I expected. Some things are hard to put into words, and this is one of those things. A few weeks ago my wife asked me how I was doing, and what came out of my mouth was this... "Life feels more like a poem lately, and less like a documentary." That sentence cracked something open for me, and this episode is me trying to share what has been stirring. What We Get Into You know that saying, things happen slowly and then suddenly? That's what this shift has felt like for me. I'm walking you through what it means to start seeing life (both our own life and those whom we support) through the lens of poetry instead of the lens of documentary... facts, metrics, SMART goals, all the stuff a lot of us were trained on in the coaching world. It has its place. But it doesn't capture the essence or depth of life. I share a couple of poems in this one too... one from David Whyte, one from Chiyo Ni, one from Frank Owen. And I talk about what it means to stop chasing the blockbuster moments and start noticing the ones that feel mundane on the surface. If you're a coach, guide, or facilitator, there's a lot in here for you specifically... about honoring every emotion that shows up in a session as having ENOUGH value to be there, about parts work, about not getting caught on the gem when someone's sharing something with you. If you feel called to connect or inquire about one to one Wayfaring with me, you can connect through my website or IG www.outofstep.life @andrew.carruthers Chapters 00:01 – Why this episode took me so long to make 02:15 – Sharing poetry after years of keeping it private 04:30 – Welcome to episode 15... this one's solo 05:45 – "Life feels more like a poem lately" 08:10 – Poetry vs. documentary as a way of living 10:50 – David Whyte's "At Home" and finding the grand in the mundane 14:20 – Why every emotion has a place in the poem 17:00 – Parts work through a poetic lens 20:15 – Don't get caught on the gem 22:40 – Chiyo Ni's haiku and the beauty of subtlety 25:10 – Closing with Frank Owen's "Return"

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  Episode #14

  EP14 Death by One Thousand Cuts w/ Ambrosia Carey

  Jul 8, 20261h 18mS2

  There was once a young human who believed money and status would finally make them whole... and if that story sounds familiar, it's because every myth that starts that way ends the same. Success doesn't equal fulfillment. My friend Ambrosia Carey found that out the hard way, and she's here to tell you exactly what it cost her to figure it out. Ambrosia's spent 27 years in the beauty industry... still doing hair, still building businesses, still consulting founders on growth and money and leadership. And underneath all of it, this same thread kept showing up in every conversation we've ever had: what happens when you get everything you thought you wanted and it still feels hollow. This one goes deep. Her mom's diagnosis. A business partnership she finally had the guts to walk away from. A psilocybin journey that cracked something open. And a question she wishes she'd asked herself decades earlier: not "what do I want," but "why do I want it." If you've ever hit what looked like the top and felt further from yourself than ever... this conversation is for you. What We Get Into The gap between what success looks like and what it feels like The "moving goalpost" and why achieving the thing never actually stops the wanting Reconnecting with a parent through illness instead of losing them to it The Five Percent Method for getting off your own back Choosing your motivation instead of letting it choose you Walking away from a seven-figure partnership over a values gap nobody else could see A hero's dose of psilocybin and what actually changed after What she'd tell her 18-year-old self about becoming a mom too young to know she was already enough Meet Ambrosia Ambrosia's spent nearly three decades behind the chair, building an education and consulting career alongside it, and she's watched more people chase the goalpost than she can count... herself included. These days she's untangling the difference between being needed and being whole, and she's writing a book about it. This conversation is her walking that unraveling out loud. Connect with Ambrosia: ambrosiacarey.com Insta: ambrosiacarey Connect with Andrew outofstep.life Insta: andrew.carruthers Chapters 00:06 – The myth every success story starts with 03:31 – Check-in: mind, body, emotion, spirit 06:51 – Her mom's diagnosis and finding each other again 09:06 – Redefining success: "does it feel as good as it looks?" 11:40 – The moving goalpost and the ache of not enough 14:04 – When success pulls you further from your soul 16:42 – Death by a thousand cuts 18:33 – The Five Percent Method 30:25 – Choosing your motivation before it chooses you 43:30 – Walking away: the partnership and the forgiveness work after 59:52 – The mushroom journey and what shifted afterward 1:05:36 – What she'd tell her 18-year-old self

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  Episode #13

  EP13 Challenging Our Beliefs From the Inside Out w/ Trevor Wyllthawk

  Jun 17, 20261h 18mS2

  Those belief systems you are holding... who chose them? Did you? That's not a trick question LOL! It's something I sit with often and it's a big part of our conversation in this episode. Most of what we hold as beliefs was absorbed and formed in the background as we moved through life. Some of our beliefs and patterns formed even before we had language for them! Trevor and I dive into how belief systems form, why we hold onto them even when they're costing us, and what it actually takes to challenge them from the inside out. Trevor opens up about his own birth story and the belief that took shape in those first five days of his life... one that still shows up today. I share what came up for me after a "fuck it" weekend of camping, wine, pizza, and two helpings of ice cream (yes, twice). Neither of us have this figured out. That's kind of the point. We get into confirmation bias, the strange relief of having someone else hold our negative beliefs for us, why the body remembers what the mind can't access, and the difference between consciously choosing what you believe versus just inheriting it. This conversation is packed with good stuff! Trevor Wyllthawk is the creator of Nūma Breathwork and someone I had the privilege of learning from directly before we ever recorded this. He's spent 29 years in deep exploration through breathwork, somatics, shamanism, meditation, and ceremonial containers... including a seven-year initiation and 16-month hermitage that cracked him open to something essential beneath the stories we carry. Today he brings that wisdom into private therapy, transformational group work, and Nūma facilitator trainings, weaving together Hakomi, Somatic Experiencing, IFS, Chinese Medicine, and more. You can connect with Trevor and Nūma via these links: https://www.numabreathwork.com/ https://www.wyllthawk.com/ And instagram - https://www.instagram.com/numabreathwork/ As always, you can connect with my on my IG and website: Insta - andrew.carruthers Website - outofstep.life [0:09] If you don't choose your belief systems, they choose you [4:16] Check-in: one word each — mental, emotional, spiritual, physical [5:44] Where do our belief systems actually come from? [8:53] Trevor's birth story and a belief formed in five days [14:32] Can a baby really absorb all of that? Trevor responds [20:58] Conscious vs. unconscious belief formation [25:55] The familiar voice and where it learned to talk like that [29:44] The Nūma Breathwork story + challenging my own bias [32:30] When Trevor had to tease apart the absolute and the relative [37:26] Walking a path to its end — completion vs. disillusionment [43:01] The cost of changing has to outweigh the cost of staying [48:16] The takeover technique in Hakomi + why negative beliefs can feel like relief [54:00] "How dare you tell me I'm loved" — when nurturing statements land wrong [57:55] How do we slow down when everything is moving this fast? [1:07:00] It doesn't have to go away — can you just be with it? [1:14:47] Closing thoughts + why this work matters for those who serve others

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  Episode #12

  EP12 What if We Stopped Fighting Ourselves w/ Virginia Terrill

  Jun 9, 20261h 5mS2

  What is enough? I mean for real... in a world of "always get better," what is ENOUGH? If that question makes you squirm a little, you're in good company, because I'm right there with you. This week my friend Virginia makes the case that we already have the compass within us... the one we've been outsourcing to self-proclaimed gurus and the loudest voices in our social feed. I open with a story about an old friend named Leila Lee and a single question scrawled on a slip of paper that was handed to her at a party: "What is enough?" It has stuck with me for years and it frames so much of this episode. My friend Virginia Terrill, founder of Ethically Inclined Wellness, brings such a refreshingly down-to-earth voice to a space that usually runs on hustle and an undercurrent of "you're not doing enough." After roughly twenty years in active addiction, then recovery, early motherhood, and divorce all at once, she started asking what she actually needed... and pausing to check in with herself before taking on anyone else's playbook. We dig into the unconscious comparison of the endless scroll, the "done-for-you" speed that leaves us feeling behind, and that gut-punch belief that we're the problem. Virginia reframes wellness as what actually fits, not right or wrong... the same routine lands differently on two different people. I share my own history of handing my sovereignty over to mentors I looked up to and how they ended up being "shadow" mentors. Finally, we land on consistency: it looks different on different days, and adapting when life gets loud isn't quitting on yourself. Here's who you're hanging out with this week. Virginia is the founder of Ethically Inclined Wellness and the creator of what she calls self-collaboration... a way into wellness that actually holds up in real life! Through storytelling, mentorship, and nervous-system-informed practices, she helps us learn to work with ourselves instead of against ourselves. She's trained in wellness coaching and behavior change, and she's just beginning her Master of Social Work. Go say hello: https://ethicallyinclinedwellness.com/ https://www.instagram.com/ethically.inclined.wellness Timestamps 00:00 — What is enough? The question that frames the episode 03:05 — Meet Virginia + a four-part check-in 04:50 — What called her in: recovery, motherhood, divorce 09:46 — Sovereignty at an all-time low and the influencer machine 12:06 — Take what you need, leave the rest 16:20 — Ethically Inclined Wellness and "self-collaboration" 24:40 — "If you feel like you're the problem..." 30:12 — Skateboard magazines vs. the endless scroll 36:51 — The pendulum: grind culture vs. doing nothing 44:18 — My breathwork story + fit over right/wrong 51:52 — Failure is information + consistency looks different on different days 1:02:20 — The closing question: a message to young Virginia

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