Proper Precon Podcast is focused on how great construction teams win work, reduce risk, and build smarter before the first shovel hits the ground. Hosted by two voices from different sides of the industry, one with deep construction technology experience and one with real-world contractor perspective, the show explores what proper pre-construction actually looks like in today’s market. Each episode breaks down the people, processes, and technology shaping modern precon, including estimating, bid leveling, conceptual budgeting, owner reporting, value engineering, workflow design, and the systems top contractors use to stay ahead. You’ll hear honest conversations about where teams get stuck, how disconnected workflows slow projects down, and what best-in-class contractors are doing differently. Whether you’re an estimator, pre-construction manager, operations leader, or construction executive, this podcast is built to help you think bigger about precon a
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Proper Precon Podcast is a business podcast hosted by Troy Simon and Trey Darnell, with 11 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.
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Troy Simon and Trey Darnell hosts Proper Precon Podcast, a business show with 11 episodes published.
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Episode 11: Technology That Moves the Needle
Aug 12, 20261h 24mS1
Technology That Actually Moves the Needle — with David Haley, DPR Construction Twenty years ago, a CD burner could triple your bid coverage. Today, there are hundreds of tools fighting for your pre-con team's attention — so how do you know which ones actually move the needle? In this episode, Troy Simon and Trey Darnell sit down with David Haley, Preconstruction Manager at DPR Construction, who's spent 35 years in the industry — from counting light fixtures on paper drawings with his grandfather to leading pre-con on billion-dollar healthcare projects. David shares how one of the industry's most tech-forward GCs evaluates, tests, and rolls out new technology without burning trust with its teams. In this episode: How David defines "moving the needle" — and why it's harder than ever with so many tools in the marketplace Why DPR still teaches interns takeoff the old-school way before handing them AI (hint: you can't mentor someone who can't show their work) The bid leveling gap: where AI compares words but misses what's missing Why the trade partner who's double everyone else's price might be the one you need to call first How live option engineering — accepting and rejecting alternates in the room — turned 75 scope options into a $10M contract increase built on trust, not cuts Predictability as the next frontier: turning mountains of historical cost data into numbers owners can bank on two years before market input exists How DPR rolled out Ediphi to 100+ pre-con professionals — and why letting people poke holes drove near-total adoption Prefabrication, unit costing, and getting granular earlier: what David hopes technology solves in the next five years Plus, the Fast Five: the one part of pre-con David says should never be automated, and what pre-con teams must figure out to win the next five years. The tool doesn't build trust — the person using it does. But the right tool gets you in the room faster. The Proper Precon Podcast is powered by Ediphi. Learn more at ediphi.com . Subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube at properprecon.com .
Episode 10: Built With Builders. The Product Side of Precon (ft. Eric Walker)
Aug 4, 202652 min
What separates software that digitizes old habits from software that actually moves preconstruction forward? Ediphi Director of Product Eric Walker joins Troy Simon and Trey Darnell to talk about the discipline of product — why good PMs dig beneath the feature request, how AI should support estimator judgment instead of replacing it, and why the companies that house the data will win the next era of construction tech.
Episode 9 defines what “great” looks like in Target Value Design (TVD) with Preston Hite (Hoar Construction). We break down the real (non-textbook) TVD workflow: starting with an owner’s target, building trust early, designing to cost, and using real-time estimating to guide decisions before drawings are complete. We cover owner + architect alignment, the precon team’s upstream role, historical cost data and scenario modeling, where TVD fails, and how technology enables faster, more credible cost feedback and shorter cycles to GMP.
Episode 8 goes upstream to construction education with UT lecturer Dan Sain. We unpack why the estimator shortage and “freecon” problems start in the talent pipeline, how students perceive estimating vs. the broader preconstruction umbrella, and what it takes to make precon a career people choose . Topics include curriculum vs. industry needs, ABC competition lessons, tech exposure in the classroom, and concrete ways GCs and partners can strengthen the bridge between academia and the field.
Episode 7 breaks down hard bid vs. negotiated work beyond the usual hot takes. With Ben (Fite Building), we define what “hard bid” and “negotiated” really look like in practice, where each model works, and the hidden assumptions that cause breakdowns (document quality, risk transfer, bid fatigue, owner sophistication). We discuss how incentives shape behavior, how trade partners experience each process, and why the real differentiator is a strong precon process + cost narrative that clarifies scope, assumptions, and deltas—regardless of procurement method.
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