Beyond the Algorithm Podcast

Deconstructing how winners decide on marketing.

Beyond the Algorithm Podcast is a business podcast hosted by Alex Chich, with 6 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

Alex Chich hosts Beyond the Algorithm Podcast, a business show with 6 episodes published.

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  200+ mental shortcuts decide if people buy from you

  Aug 6, 202645 min

  Did you know customers make decisions using mental shortcuts? Our podcast guest, behavioral scientist Nancy Harhut, wrote the book on it. In this episode: • Why customers decide on gut, not logic • Sell against the why-not: find the real objection and answer it • Why a testimonial with a flaw beats a perfect one • Why three benefits beat five • Pricing that feels like a better deal (a smaller sale-price font, and framing the upgrade as +$X) • Social proof, loss aversion, and giving people a sense of control • What changes when you sell expensive or luxury products Links: • HBT Marketing: https://www.hbtmktg.com/ • Using Behavioral Science in Marketing: https://www.koganpage.com/marketing-communications/using-behavioral-science-in-marketing-9781398606487 • Nancy Harhut on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancyharhut/ Beyond the Algorithm with Alex Chich. Deconstructing how winners decide on marketing. Subscribe for new episodes. #marketing #ecommerce #behavioralscience

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  Customer loyalty won't grow your brand

  Jul 28, 202649 min

  Your customers aren't picking a competitor over you. Most of the time, they're just not thinking of you at all. My guest, marketing scientist Byron Sharp, wrote How Brands Grow, the book that rewired how marketers think about growth. In this episode: • Why most lost sales were never a real competition (mental availability) • Mental vs physical availability, and why both drive growth • Why loyalty programs and retention barely move the needle • The over-segmentation trap: why growth means reaching everyone • Why boring, consistent brands like Toyota quietly win Links: • Ehrenberg-Bass Institute: https://marketingscience.info/ • How Brands Grow: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/how-brands-grow-9780195573565 • Byron Sharp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/professorbyronsharp Beyond the Algorithm with Alex Chich. Deconstructing how winners decide on marketing. Subscribe for new episodes. #marketing #ecommerce #branding

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  Why Loyalty Won't Grow Your Brand - with Byron Sharp

  Jul 16, 202649 min

  In this episode of Beyond the Algorithm, Alex Chich sits down with Byron Sharp (Ehrenberg-Bass Institute, author of How Brands Grow) to unpack why brands actually grow: through availability, being easy to remember the moment someone buys and easy to buy, not through loyalty or retention. What we get into: - Why most lost sales were never a real competition, the buyer just never thought of you - Mental vs physical availability, and why both decide how much a brand is worth - Why loyalty and "delighting" customers barely move growth, and what does instead - The over-segmentation trap: why a growing brand steals from every segment - Why boring, consistent brands like Toyota quietly win - The Law of Small Numbers: why you shouldn't react to a few days of dashboard data - Distinctive brand assets: how a colour (think the McDonald's yellow) does the heavy lifting Chapters: 00:00 Intro: the sale you lose before you're ever considered 01:02 Who is Byron Sharp and the Ehrenberg-Bass Institute 03:04 Why you can't understand customers through empathy alone 04:41 The Law of Small Numbers, and why ad spend rarely shows up next week 10:51 Our real job: getting onto the consideration list 17:06 Reach is not optional: mental vs physical availability 18:18 Be everywhere: Amazon, apps, and even the discounters 28:23 The positioning myth: why brands steal from every segment 30:06 The narrow-avatar / "1,000 true fans" trap 40:58 Distinctive brand assets and memory structures 42:48 Does great branding really need a $100k budget? 46:08 How small companies can access world-class marketing science 48:00 Wrap-up Links from the episode: Ehrenberg-Bass Institute: https://marketingscience.info/ How Brands Grow: https://marketingscience.info/learn-with-us/books Byron Sharp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/professorbyronsharp Beyond the Algorithm with Alex Chich. Deconstructing how winners decide on marketing. Real strategies, unfiltered conversations, and the systems behind scalable growth. https://uawc.agency/beyond-the-algorithm Subscribe for new episodes on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple. #marketing #ecommerce #branding #HowBrandsGrow #ByronSharp #EhrenbergBass #MarketingScience #MentalAvailability #DTC #podcast

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  Why Loyalty Won't Grow Your Brand - with Byron Sharp

  Jul 16, 202649 min

  In this episode of Beyond the Algorithm, Alex Chich sits down with Byron Sharp (Ehrenberg-Bass Institute, author of How Brands Grow) to unpack why brands actually grow: through availability, being easy to remember the moment someone buys and easy to buy, not through loyalty or retention. What we get into: - Why most lost sales were never a real competition, the buyer just never thought of you - Mental vs physical availability, and why both decide how much a brand is worth - Why loyalty and "delighting" customers barely move growth, and what does instead - The over-segmentation trap: why a growing brand steals from every segment - Why boring, consistent brands like Toyota quietly win - The Law of Small Numbers: why you shouldn't react to a few days of dashboard data - Distinctive brand assets: how a colour (think the McDonald's yellow) does the heavy lifting Chapters: 00:00 Intro: the sale you lose before you're ever considered 01:02 Who is Byron Sharp and the Ehrenberg-Bass Institute 03:04 Why you can't understand customers through empathy alone 04:41 The Law of Small Numbers, and why ad spend rarely shows up next week 10:51 Our real job: getting onto the consideration list 17:06 Reach is not optional: mental vs physical availability 18:18 Be everywhere: Amazon, apps, and even the discounters 28:23 The positioning myth: why brands steal from every segment 30:06 The narrow-avatar / "1,000 true fans" trap 40:58 Distinctive brand assets and memory structures 42:48 Does great branding really need a $100k budget? 46:08 How small companies can access world-class marketing science 48:00 Wrap-up Links from the episode: Ehrenberg-Bass Institute: https://marketingscience.info/ How Brands Grow: https://marketingscience.info/learn-with-us/books Byron Sharp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/professorbyronsharp Beyond the Algorithm with Alex Chich. Deconstructing how winners decide on marketing. Real strategies, unfiltered conversations, and the systems behind scalable growth. https://uawc.agency/beyond-the-algorithm Subscribe for new episodes on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple. #marketing #ecommerce #branding #HowBrandsGrow #ByronSharp #EhrenbergBass #MarketingScience #MentalAvailability #DTC #podcast

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  The Real Reason Customers Buy: Emotional Targeting with Talia Wolf

  Jul 2, 202647 min

  Everyone has access to GA4. So why is everyone still stuck on the same conversion rate? In this episode, Alex Chi sits down with Talia Wolf - founder of GetUplift, author of "Emotional Targeting," and one of the most respected voices in conversion optimization - to unpack why the brands that win aren't the ones with the most data. They're the ones obsessed with the emotions behind every purchase. Talia explains why attribution matters less than ever, how to actually understand your customers (not just box them into a spreadsheet), and why your messaging — not your design or your button colors — is what makes you stand out. We also get into how small e-commerce brands with little traffic can outmaneuver the giants, why you should never let ChatGPT write your copy, and the 3-step framework Talia uses to 10x conversions. If you sell anything online, this one will change how you look at your website. CHAPTERS 00:00 Intro 00:35 Talia's mission & the "Emotional Targeting" book 02:13 Why you should worry less about tracking 05:57 How to actually research your customers (interviews, surveys, social listening) 09:00 Self-image vs. social image: the two biggest drivers of conversions 10:08 GA4 & Clarity tell you the "where" — not the "why" 12:10 Why "10 quick tests" listicles aren't enough anymore 13:17 Talia's favorite research method: social listening on Reddit 16:10 Can you run CRO with low traffic and no big data? 18:31 Messaging first, design second — and why 19:46 Should you use ChatGPT to write your copy? (Talia's hard no) 24:02 Brand consistency on AND off your website 28:07 The 223 emotional triggers — and the 2 that matter most 34:57 Talia's 3-step framework: research, emotional audit, meaningful tests 38:52 The truth about A/B tests: most of them fail 41:08 Can small brands really beat the giants? The economy of trust 43:51 Why a simple iPhone video builds more trust than a polished ad About Talia Wolf: Talia is the founder of GetUplift and author of "Emotional Targeting." She helps brands grow by optimizing their entire customer journey around emotion and psychology — backed by thousands of A/B tests. Get the book & learn more: https://www.taliawolf.com | https://getuplift.co Connect with Talia on LinkedIn & Instagram ABOUT BEYOND the Algorithm team: Check more about us and our podcast on UAWC agency website

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