
Episode #242
Ep. 242: Becoming Mushrooms with Madison Murphy Barney
Today on the Plant Cunning Podcast we welcome Madison Murphy Barney—doula, two-spirit Indigenous sister, public health storyteller, and author of Our Ancestors Want Us to Be Mushrooms: Wisdom for Living in Balance with the Planet and Each Other. Madison shares how mushrooms offer blueprints for reconnecting with ourselves, community, and the planet through traits like connection, decomposition, adaptability, and humility, emphasizing moving forward with “original instructions” rather than trying to return to the past. They discuss relating to ecosystems anywhere (including cities) through curiosity and noticing, mushrooms’ role in composting and rebuilding systems, and how doula work applies beyond birth and death to divorce, career change, and other transitions by honoring grief, support networks, and cycles. Madison also mentions ceremony, favorite mushrooms, and where to find her work online. 01:19 Meet Madison and Book Launch 02:27 Plant Path Origins 04:05 Why Be Mushrooms 06:26 City Nature Connection 09:00 Why Mushrooms Matter 12:53 Doula Calling and Expansion 17:20 Guiding Change and Grief 22:38 Ancestral and More-than-Human Support 24:33 Living in Cycles28:51 Cycles and Comfort 29:27 Native Plants Debate 30:37 Love of Place 32:05 Mushrooms and Protection 33:33 Adaptability and Neighbors 37:18 Humility in Ecosystems 42:01 Fungi Favorites Today 44:13 What Comes Next 45:25 Who the Book Is For 47:25 Connecting and Closing






