
Restoring Resilience with Chelsey Brooke Cole
Why Covert Narcissists Are So Much Harder to See with Dr. Les Carter
Covert narcissists don't announce themselves. They're pleasant, humble, sometimes the wounded one in the room — and that's exactly why you don't see the abuse coming. Dr. Les Carter — psychotherapist, bestselling author, and creator of the Surviving Narcissism YouTube channel — joins me to break down the covert presentation of narcissism and the mind games that come with it. They cover why covert narcissists are so convincing to everyone outside the relationship and so different inside it, why their niceness is selective rather than genuine, and how a transactional mindset turns your empathy, conscientiousness, and willingness to self-reflect into tools they use against you. Dr. Carter unpacks the quieter forms of abuse survivors tend to minimize — silent treatment, withholding, coldness, passive aggression — along with the victim reframe ("you're hurting me" rather than "I'm struggling"), imperative thinking that creates the eggshell walk, manipulative compliments, and triangulation. The second half turns toward recovery: pairing empathy with objectivity, defining the characteristics you actually want to live by, practicing calm confidence instead of pleading your case, and building the self-trust that lets you stop defending, explaining, and personalizing. ABOUT DR. CARTER Dr. Les Carter is a licensed psychotherapist specializing in narcissism and personality dynamics, with a B.A. from Baylor University and a Ph.D. from the University of North Texas. He is the author of 20 books and has led numerous seminars and workshops on recognizing and recovering from narcissistic relationships. He is the creator of the YouTube channel Surviving Narcissism, with over 145 million views, and connects with audiences on Instagram, Facebook, and www.survivingnarcissism.tv . Connect with Dr. Carter www.survivingnarcissism.tv ABOUT CHELSEY Chelsey Brooke Cole is a licensed psychotherapist and certified partner trauma therapist helping people trust themselves again after narcissistic abuse. She's the author of the best-selling book If Only I'd Known! How to Outsmart Narcissists, Set Guilt-Free Boundaries, and Create Unshakeable Self-Worth. She hosts the Restoring Resilience podcast and guides survivors to healing through her signature program, Rewired for Resilience: Reclaiming Yourself After Narcissistic Abuse. Her work has been featured in USA Today, HuffPost, Psychology Today, and other media outlets. You can learn more about working with Chelsey or her resources at www.chelseybrookecole.com Chelsey's Resources If this episode resonated with you, here are a few ways to go deeper: Free Masterclass: The Narcissist's Playbook Understand the exact patterns narcissists use—and why it's so hard to see clearly when you're in it https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/the-narcissists-playbook/ Free Quizzes: Is It Narcissistic Abuse? Not sure what you're dealing with? Take a free 2-minute quiz to get clarity now https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/quizzes/ Rewired for Resilience (Healing Program) Go beyond awareness and start rebuilding self-trust, emotional safety, and clarity from the inside out https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/rewired-for-resilience/ Read the First Chapter of My Book (Free) https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/firstchapterfree/ Website https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/ CHAPTERS (00:00) What You See Isn't What You Get (00:27) Meet Dr. Les Carter (06:15) What "Covert" Really Means (09:45) Nice to Them, Cold to You (10:10) Transactional, Not Relational (15:42) Your Best Traits, Weaponized (18:44) Neglect Is Abuse (19:45) Emptying You of You (20:30) "You're Hurting Me" (21:32) Trauma Bonding (25:47) The Manipulative Compliment (26:56) The Eggshell Walk (29:02) Mind Over Emotion (36:21) Self-Trust (39:16) Where to Find Dr. Carter

