Run the Numbers

Run the Numbers is a business podcast about financial metrics and business models for CFOs, aspiring CFOs, finance leaders, and ambitious people operating tech startups. Hosted by CJ Gustafson, CFO and writer of Mostly Metrics, the show shares lessons, frameworks, and operator insights from the trenches as a tech exec. Think of it as a playbook for the things CJ wishes he knew earlier in his career, covering SaaS metrics, annual budgeting, forecasting, headcount, equity, dilution, fundraising, and the decisions that drive performance and growth.

Run the Numbers is a business podcast hosted by CJ Gustafson, with 322 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80.

CJ Gustafson hosts Run the Numbers, a business show with 322 episodes published.

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  Zuora’s COFO On Going Private and Pricing AI | Todd McElhatton

  Oct 1, 202648 min

  In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Todd McElhatton, CFO of Zuora, for a deep cut on pricing, packaging, and value in the age of AI. They dig into how companies are figuring out whether to charge for AI at all, why token-based budgets are starting to sit alongside headcount budgets, and why AI may be increasing — not decreasing — the value of deep expertise. — SPONSORS: Brex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metrics Abacum puts your actuals, forecasts, models, and business context in one place, so you can update the plan, run scenarios, and answer "why did this change?" without rebuilding the story from six spreadsheets and a Slack thread. Connect your source systems, keep models and assumptions aligned, and give leaders trusted answers while decisions are still being made. Go to abacum.ai/mostly-metrics. RightRev is a revenue recognition platform built for the AI economy, helping finance support usage-based pricing, credits, hybrid contracts, seats plus consumption, and whatever commercial model comes next. It gives product teams the freedom to keep innovating without outdated revenue systems slowing them down. Learn how RightRev can help at https://rightrev.com/cj Fidelity Private Shares gives founders the structure and simplicity to focus on what actually matters - building your company. If your startup needs a little extra support (and let’s be honest, who doesn’t need a little help now and then), then you’re in for a pleasant surprise with Fidelity. If you stay investor ready, you don’t have to get investor ready. Check out www.fidelityprivateshares.com Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj Cloud Capital helps you say goodbye to on-demand rates for cloud. Committing more cuts the rate you pay for cloud infrastructure by 20–60%. Commit wrong and you pay for capacity you'll never use. Cloud Capital underwrites that risk, so you capture the savings of deeper commitments without locking in architecture or putting engineers on it. Go to www.cloudcapital.co EY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups — LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN Guest: linkedin.com/in/todd-mcelhatton-2140761 Company: www.zuora.com CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com — TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Intro 1:15 Meet Todd 2:24 Debating Price 7:33 Is Software "Going Headless"? 9:18 Is AI Increasing the Value of Experts 9:58 Hiring Specialists vs. Generalists 16:49 Rethinking the Budget Envelope 26:56 Time to Value 31:20 Forward-Deployed Engineers 35:20 Parallels Between On-Prem-to-Cloud 36:10 Rethinking Strategy 37:07 Avoiding the Sunk Cost Trap 38:58 The Art of Pivoting 40:12 VMware 41:31 Experimenting With AI 42:33 What Private Boards Bring 43:13 Short-Term Pain 43:45 One-Way Doors vs. Two-Way Doors 44:57Long-Ass Lightning Round 45:04 Biggest Career Mistake 45:36 Advice45:56 Finance Tech Stack 46:43 The Craziest Thing Expense #RunTheNumbersPodcast #AIforCFOs #FinanceLeadership #Zuora #GoingPrivate

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  LiveRamp’s CFO Rebuilt Pricing From Scratch | Lauren Dillard

  Sep 28, 202650 min

  CJ sits down with Lauren Dillard, CFO of LiveRamp, whose path to the CFO seat ran through investor relations, communications, and even a year as interim CMO. They dig into why storytelling and influence matter as much as technical finance chops, how LiveRamp tore down and rebuilt its entire commercial model — collapsing 25+ usage metrics into 5 and inventing the "token" along the way. — SPONSORS: Brex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metrics Anrok is the sales tax platform that watches your exposure everywhere, automates compliance, and flags risk before it turns into a surprise back-tax letter from a state you've never set foot in. Companies like Anthropic, Notion, and Vanta already trust Anrok to stay ahead of rules that move faster than any spreadsheet can. Talk to a sales tax expert for a personalized exposure estimate at https://www.anrok.com/rtn RightRev is a revenue recognition platform built for the AI economy, helping finance support usage-based pricing, credits, hybrid contracts, seats plus consumption, and whatever commercial model comes next. It gives product teams the freedom to keep innovating without outdated revenue systems slowing them down. Learn how RightRev can help at https://rightrev.com/cj Pulley is an equity management platform that lets you issue options, model dilution, and complete 409As without your cap table turning into a spreadsheet disaster. Founders raising, hiring, and scaling use Pulley to keep equity clean and stay focused on building. Learn more or request a demo at https://pulley.com/mostlymetrics Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj Maximor is an autonomous finance platform that runs order-to-cash, procure-to-pay, the close, cash management, and reporting on self-learning agents instead of a dozen disconnected tools. One PE-backed customer posts 98% of transactions directly to its ERP, with the remaining 2% routed to a human for review. You pay for outcomes, not seats. See it at https://www.maximor.ai/ EY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups — LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN Guest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-russi-dillard-25502424/ Company: https://www.liveramp.com CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com — TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Cold Open 1:18 Intro 1:29 Meet Lauren Dillard 4:48 Lauren's Path to CFO 5:06 The "Wrong" Career Move 7:48 Why Storytelling Matters 9:41 Turning the Answer Into Action 10:33 People Plus AI 14:50 Pricing Is a Strategy Exercise 16:43 Rebuilding a Commercial Model 22:29 Simplifying Quote-to-Cash 23:29 Where the "Token" Came From 28:48 Selling a New Pricing Model 29:27 Balancing New Logos 30:17 Upmarket or Downmarket? 34:17 Where Finance and HR Disagree 36:07 The Biggest Mistake 38:23 Will It Make the Boat Go Faster? 42:27 Lessons from the NBA 44:25 Lauren's Biggest Misstep 46:27 Finance Tech Stack 47:42 Craziest Expense #RunTheNumbersPodcast #AIforCFOs #FinanceLeadership #MasterworksArt #ContextEngineering

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  The NScale IPO | A Neocloud S1 Breakdown

  Sep 24, 202634 min

  Nscale just filed its S-1 to go public on the NYSE — and it might be the wildest IPO filing of the year. This UK-based "NeoCloud" is only 2 years old, is gross margin negative, started life as a crypto miner, and has somehow locked up over $100 billion in contracted value from Anthropic and Microsoft. CJ breaks down the entire S-1 line by line: what a NeoCloud actually is, how Nscale's "power to token" strategy works, why Nvidia shows up as its supplier, investor, guarantor, AND customer, and whether this is a durable business or a well-timed arbitrage on the AI compute shortage. — SPONSORS: Maximor is an autonomous finance platform that runs order-to-cash, procure-to-pay, the close, cash management, and reporting on self-learning agents instead of a dozen disconnected tools. One PE-backed customer posts 98% of transactions directly to its ERP, with the remaining 2% routed to a human for review. You pay for outcomes, not seats. See it at https://www.maximor.ai/ Brex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metrics Anrok is the sales tax platform that watches your exposure everywhere, automates compliance, and flags risk before it turns into a surprise back-tax letter from a state you've never set foot in. Companies like Anthropic, Notion, and Vanta already trust Anrok to stay ahead of rules that move faster than any spreadsheet can. Talk to a sales tax expert for a personalized exposure estimate at https://www.anrok.com/rtn RightRev is a revenue recognition platform built for the AI economy, helping finance support usage-based pricing, credits, hybrid contracts, seats plus consumption, and whatever commercial model comes next. It gives product teams the freedom to keep innovating without outdated revenue systems slowing them down. Learn how RightRev can help at https://rightrev.com/cj Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj EY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups — LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN Company: https://www.nscale.com/ CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com — TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Cold Open 0:53 Intro: Nscale Files to Go Public 2:40 WTF Is a NeoCloud? 4:11 The 5 Layers of the AI Stack 5:55 Landlord vs. Hotel: Nscale's Two Businesses 7:21 How Take-or-Pay Contracts Work 8:28 Sponsor Break 11:43 Breaking Down the Financials 15:37 What's a Contract Actually Worth? 18:45 Is This Just Nvidia Vendor Financing? 20:58 Sponsor Break 22:54 Medium-Term Arbitrage or Durable Company? 24:30 5 Potential Red Flags 27:08 How Does the CEO Get Paid? 28:04 Who's on the Board? 28:26 Is This the CoreWeave of the UK? 31:09 Miscellaneous Filing Oddities 33:31 Final Take #Nscale #IPO #NeoCloud #S1Breakdown #AIInfrastructure

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  How Media Actually Makes Money | Blake Saunders

  Sep 21, 202651 min

  In today’s Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Blake Saunders, founder and managing director at Core Advisors (an investment bank focused on media) and founder of The Joint, to go deep on how media companies actually make money — and how that's changing fast. If you're anywhere near advertising, media, or content monetization, this one's a masterclass. — SPONSORS: Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj Maximor is an autonomous finance platform that runs order-to-cash, procure-to-pay, the close, cash management, and reporting on self-learning agents instead of a dozen disconnected tools. One PE-backed customer posts 98% of transactions directly to its ERP, with the remaining 2% routed to a human for review. You pay for outcomes, not seats. See it at https://www.maximor.ai/ Brex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metrics Anrok is the sales tax platform that watches your exposure everywhere, automates compliance, and flags risk before it turns into a surprise back-tax letter from a state you've never set foot in. Companies like Anthropic, Notion, and Vanta already trust Anrok to stay ahead of rules that move faster than any spreadsheet can. Talk to a sales tax expert for a personalized exposure estimate at https://www.anrok.com/rtn RightRev is a revenue recognition platform built for the AI economy, helping finance support usage-based pricing, credits, hybrid contracts, seats plus consumption, and whatever commercial model comes next. It gives product teams the freedom to keep innovating without outdated revenue systems slowing them down. Learn how RightRev can help at https://rightrev.com/cj EY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups — LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN Guest: linkedin.com/in/blakesaunders Company: https://coreadvs.com/ CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com — TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Cold Open and Intro 1:17 Welcome Back: Meet Blake Saunders 3:11 What Does "Media" Even Mean Today? 3:24 AI and LLMs 6:13 How Media Companies Make Money 7:32 Subscriptions vs. Ads vs. Events 8:54 Why Events Are the Riskiest Ad Dollar 9:48 B2B vs. B2C 14:25 Why Advertising Gets Such a Bad Rap 17:58 The Hulu Paradox 20:50 Built to Hold vs. Built to Sell 27:10 Content Decay and the Monetization Mismatch 29:08 Are IP Libraries Becoming Valuable 34:39 How Big-Name Podcast Deals Get Structured 37:50 Bundling, Unbundling, and Subscription Fatigue 39:08 The Bending Spoons Trade 40:20 Inside a Private Equity Value Creation Plan 41:56 The Content-to-Commerce Playbook 44:50 How Narrative-Driven Is Media M&A? 46:49 7 Moments a Deal Feels Dead 49:00 Farewell

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  Masterwork’s CFO Runs 12 AI Agents at Once | Nigel Glenday

  Sep 14, 202646 min

  CJ Gustafson sits down with Nigel Glenday, CFO and COO of Masterworks, to talk about how AI is actually changing day-to-day finance work. They cover why context matters more than model choice, how Nigel runs a dozen Claude Code terminal sessions at once, and how his team solved a 300,000 K-1 problem with Python instead of a $300K tool. Plus: a detour into the 2026 art market and what securitizing fine art teaches you about scarcity and pricing power. — SPONSORS: Anrok is the sales tax platform that watches your exposure everywhere, automates compliance, and flags risk before it turns into a surprise back-tax letter from a state you've never set foot in. Companies like Anthropic, Notion, and Vanta already trust Anrok to stay ahead of rules that move faster than any spreadsheet can. Talk to a sales tax expert for a personalized exposure estimate at https://www.anrok.com/rtn RightRev is a revenue recognition platform built for the AI economy, helping finance support usage-based pricing, credits, hybrid contracts, seats plus consumption, and whatever commercial model comes next. It gives product teams the freedom to keep innovating without outdated revenue systems slowing them down. Learn how RightRev can help at https://rightrev.com/cj Pulley is an equity management platform that lets you issue options, model dilution, and complete 409As without your cap table turning into a spreadsheet disaster. Founders raising, hiring, and scaling use Pulley to keep equity clean and stay focused on building. Learn more or request a demo at https://pulley.com/mostlymetrics Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj Maximor is an autonomous finance platform that runs order-to-cash, procure-to-pay, the close, cash management, and reporting on self-learning agents instead of a dozen disconnected tools. One PE-backed customer posts 98% of transactions directly to its ERP, with the remaining 2% routed to a human for review. You pay for outcomes, not seats. See it at https://www.maximor.ai/ Brex is an intelligent finance platform that combines corporate cards, built-in expense management, and AI agents to eliminate manual finance work. By automating expense reviews and reconciliations, Brex gives CFOs more time for the high-impact work that drives growth. Join 35,000+ companies like Anthropic, Coinbase, and DoorDash at https://www.brex.com/metrics EY works with high-growth tech companies to navigate the messy realities of scaling—from regulatory requirements to IPO readiness. By helping teams get it right early and often, EY lets founders stay focused on building while reducing risk as they grow. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups — LINKS: Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN Guest: linkedin.com/in/nglenday Company: https://www.masterworks.com/ CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/ Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com — RELATED EPISODES: Nigel's Previous Episode: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfmqwIzM0P4&t=9s⁠⁠⁠ — TIMESTAMPS: 2:04 The Dinner Story: AI as Leverage 7:27 AI and the Value of Human-Curated Creativity 12:16 Why Context Beats Intelligence 14:11 What "Context" Actually Means for AI 16:50 Building a Knowledge Map 18:50 Why CFOs Are Uniquely Positioned to Encode Context 21:36 Making Data Cheap to Access 28:55 Claude Code Over the Web App 30:49 Building "The A-Team" 35:24 Solving 300,000 K-1s with AI and Python 42:26 Asking Better Questions Segment 42:50 Adopting Campfire 44:20 When Human Writing Beats AI #RunTheNumbersPodcast #AIforCFOs #FinanceLeadership #MasterworksArt #ContextEngineering

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