Scalability School

Scalability School is your cheat code for building a more profitable DTC brand or agency. We break down tactical strategies, real-time wins, and tough lessons from three powerful perspectives: operator, agency, and community. It's not theory—it's what's actually working in the wild. Skip the fluff, steal what works, and scale with confidence.

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  Episode #36

  How to Build a 9-Figure Performance Creative Team | Joanna Wallace

  Aug 12, 202656 min

  How do you build a performance creative team for a DTC brand? Start with the most experienced hire you can afford, a director-level player-coach for nine-figure brands, a senior agency-trained strategist for smaller ones, and let them build the team top-down, using freelancers to fill gaps while full-time roles get approved. Match output goals to headcount, because ad volume is determined by team size, and vet every candidate with a paid assessment that tests both craft and how they use AI. Building a performance creative team starts with hiring the most experienced brain you can afford, a director-level player-coach, then filling in strategists, editors, designers, and a creator manager around them. In this episode, Andrew Foxwell and Brad Ploch sit down with Joanna Wallace, who founded the creative department at HexClad and served as VP of Creative Strategy at Birddogs, to map out exactly who to hire, in what order, what they cost, and how to test them before you commit millions in ad spend to their strategy. We discuss: Why going cheap on your first creative hire is the most expensive mistake in DTC What a creative strategy director actually costs in 2026 (It's not what you think) and why Why your ad volume is determined by your team size, full stop Why agency experience beats brand-side experience for strategist hires How to run paid assessments that expose AI-generated word salad The coordinator role: the smartest entry point into creative strategy Join The Scalability School Newsletter: https://www.scalabilityschool.com/scalability-newsletter Connect with Joanna Wallace: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannasloamewallace/ Joanna's creative strategist evaluation template: To connect with Andrew Foxwell send an email Andrew@foxwelldigital.com To connect with Brad Ploch send him a DM at https://x.com/brad_ploch To connect with Zach Stuck send him a DM at https://x.com/zachmstuck Learn more about the Foxwell Founders Community at https://foxwellfounders.com Learn more about the The Hive Haus Creators Community at http://HiveHausUGC.com . This episode of the Scalability School podcast is sponsored by NorthBeam and they just launched Northbeam Incrementality. Northbeam Incrementality gives you easy, automated, self-service incrementality tests, while protecting you from the major mistakes so many people make while running incrementality tests. Your MTA handles the daily tactics, your MMM guides the long-term planning, and Incrementality provides the causal truth. It's a closed loop that allows you to scale what works and cut what doesn't. Right now when you head over to www.northbeam.io/incrementality , they're offering Scalability School listeners 50% off unlimited tests for a year when you join. Just tell them we sent you! Scalability School is the podcast for DTC media buyers and e-commerce operators who want to scale profitably — hosted by Andrew Foxwell, Brad Ploch, and Zach Stuck. Chapters 00:00 How to build a performance creative team for a DTC brand 02:02 The #1 hiring mistake: going cheap on your first creative hire 03:04 What a creative strategy director costs in 2026 05:06 Player-coach: what the director does in the first six months 09:10 Why ad volume is determined by team size 13:13 The hiring order for seven-figure brands 18:18 Why agency experience beats brand-side experience 21:21 What nine-figure creative teams do differently 25:24 Sharing creative learnings across the whole company 31:27 Where to find great creative strategists 37:36 How to evaluate candidates with paid assessments 41:38 How to break into creative strategy (the coordinator route) 47:43 How to keep a creative team from burning out

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  Episode #35

  Why AI Is Making Creative Strategists Lazy (And How to Fix It) | Hannah Houg & Matthew Gattozzi

  Jul 30, 202659 min

  In this episode, Andrew Foxwell and Brad Ploch sit down with Hannah Houg and Matthew Gattozzi to answer the question every team is quietly avoiding: how do you use AI for creative strategy without losing the judgment that makes ads work? The short answer is that you bring AI a hypothesis instead of asking it for one. You'll learn which four parts of the process to protect from AI entirely, why the briefing stage is where ad quality actually degrades, and how to give your strategists room to think without torching your output. Hannah has built ads and campaigns for 300+ DTC brands. Matthew's studio has driven $100M+ in client revenue. Both use AI daily. Both have watched it quietly weaken the same muscle they get paid for. We discuss: Why every creative brief in the space suddenly looks the same The difference between AI helping your research and AI writing your hypothesis Why AI is good at following rules and bad at breaking them, and why that matters for scale How Hannah lost the ability to write a script after a few months of AI-first drafting What a genuinely good AI input looks like (and why it's built before you open the tool) The one-sentence goal every brief needs before anyone writes a word Why building 7 personas on a $10k/month budget is a math problem, not a strategy What "deep context" actually means, and why most teams don't have it Why the efficiency-vs-quality fight is a leadership conversation, not a tools conversation Join The Scalability School Newsletter: https://www.scalabilityschool.com/scalability-newsletter This episode of the Scalability School podcast is sponsored by NorthBeam and they just launched Northbeam Incrementality. Northbeam Incrementality gives you easy, automated, self-service incrementality tests, while protecting you from the major mistakes so many people make while running incrementality tests. Your MTA handles the daily tactics, your MMM guides the long-term planning, and Incrementality provides the causal truth. It's a closed loop that allows you to scale what works and cut what doesn't. Right now when you head over to www.northbeam.io/incrementality, they're offering Scalability School listeners 50% off unlimited tests for a year when you join. Just tell them we sent you! To connect with Hannah Houg send a DM at: https://x.com/hannahhoug To connect with Matthew Gattozzi send a DM at: https://x.com/MatthewGattozzi To connect with Andrew Foxwell send an email Andrew@foxwelldigital.com To connect with Brad Ploch send him a DM at https://x.com/brad_ploch To connect with Zach Stuck send him a DM at https://x.com/zachmstuck Learn more about the Foxwell Founders Community at https://foxwellfounders.com Learn more about the The Hive Haus Creators Community at http://HiveHausUGC.com . Chapters 00:00 Intro: why AI creative strategy is producing the same ads everywhere 04:08 Why every creative brief suddenly looks the same 07:18 What makes a great ad, and why AI can't break rules 10:22 Is research or briefing where AI actually hurts ad quality? 12:26 Why AI can't come up with the big idea 14:33 The danger of letting AI write your hypothesis 16:39 How AI quietly degrades your copywriting muscle 19:45 How to find an insight before you open AI 25:55 Why hyper-specific creative is winning on Meta right now 29:57 Why your team needs space to think, not more output 30:58 Has any LLM actually cracked ad copywriting? 33:00 Why creator talent match beats a perfect script 37:07 What a good AI input actually looks like 40:10 The one-sentence goal every creative brief needs 44:14 The persona trap that sinks small ad budgets 47:21 What "deep context" actually means 50:24 Why strategists want to slow down while owners push efficiency 53:27 Why this is a leadership problem, not a tools problem 56:32 Break your margins today for performance later 57:32 Bonus: the Michigan method

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  Episode #32

  We Tested Meta's Incremental Attribution on $200K/Month: Here's Why We Turned It Off.

  Jul 2, 202651 min

  This episode is a tactical deep dive into two of the biggest measurement questions in DTC right now, capped off with Zach Stuck joining to break down how MarsMen sets ad budgets off forecasted recurring revenue. The first half is a real client case study on Meta's Incremental Attribution (IA). Brad walks us through an apparel brand, with an AOV just over $100, strong organic and influencer traffic, and $150-200K per month in spend. A conversion lift study at the start of the year showed their one-day click ROAS almost perfectly matched their true incremental number, so 1DC became the account's benchmark. When they tested IA head-to-head against one-day click (each with its own holdout), IA looked terrible in week one, then dramatically better in weeks two and three, and the lift study combined with Triple Whale MTA data validated the win. Then Meta changed its click attribution definition in March (only outbound clicks now count as clicks, with profile clicks and comments moved to "engaged"), and IA performance deviated hard from one-day click, Triple Whale, and product-level MER. IA also stopped responding to bid adjustments. The takeaway: they reverted to one-day click, with a plan to retest IA in three to six months as Meta feeds the model more conversion lift data. The second segment covers creative cohort spend analysis: breaking down each month's spend by the month the ads were launched. If most of May's spend is running through ads launched last year, your new creative isn't earning spend and something is broken in the pipeline. If nearly all spend is from ads launched in the last 30 days, you are over-reliant on a few recent outliers. Splitting the view by evergreen versus promo ads shows whether new creative is compounding month over month, which is what actually earns the right to scale spend. Zach adds Homestead's layer on top: tracking "breakthrough" ads ($2K spend in 7 days at target) versus scaled ads every month. The final segment is Zach on how MarsMen scales: if you can forecast next month's recurring revenue, you can spend into that full amount, as long as your blended MER covers OPEX and your new-customer ROAS holds at target. He walks through the cash-flow traps (90-day subscriptions deferring revenue, promos shifting cohort behavior), MarsMen's rebuilt forecast model that applies retention curves at the individual customer level, daily new-customer targets by channel, and a reactivation play: offering discounted one-time purchases to list subscribers who never converted because they didn't want a subscription, which he estimates is worth hundreds of thousands per month. Key Takeaways Why Meta's Incremental Attribution passed a conversion lift test, only to then fall apart three weeks later. How you can REALLY spend 100% of next month's forecasted MRR on ads this month, and when that math breaks. The one thing that might be the real reason as to to why your account performance suddenly shifted after March 2026. The percentage of this month's ad spend that should come from ads you launched this month, and what it means if the answer is almost none. Is your "dead" email list quietly hiding hundreds of thousands in monthly revenue? Why one-day click beats seven-day click for brands with heavy organic traffic, and how to know which one your account should trust. What a "breakthrough ad" actually is and why your creative team should be measured on them every month. Caution: How adding a 90-day subscription offer can put your cash flow at risk 60 days later. Should subscription brands hold email, SMS, and organic to daily new-customer quotas the same way they do paid? Is the creative volume game dead, or are the people abandoning it just measuring hit rates wrong? Chapters 02:32 — Should you test Meta's Incremental Attribution in your account? 07:30 — How do you design a fair test of one-day click vs. Incremental Attribution? 11:32 — What did Meta's new click attribution definition change, and why did it break results? 14:02 — When should you turn Incremental Attribution off and go back to one-day click? 26:30 — How do you run a creative cohort analysis to see if your new ads are earning spend? 35:31 — How does a subscription brand use next month's MRR to set this month's ad budget? 46:02 — How do you turn a "dead" email list into six figures of monthly revenue? This episode of the Scalability School podcast is sponsored by NorthBeam and they just launched Northbeam Incrementality. Northbeam Incrementality gives you easy, automated, self-service incrementality tests, while protecting you from the major mistakes so many people make while running incrementality tests. Your MTA handles the daily tactics, your MMM guides the long-term planning, and Incrementality provides the causal truth. It's a closed loop that allows you to scale what works and cut what doesn't. Right now when you head over to www.northbeam.io/incrementality, they're offering Scalability School listeners 50% off unlimited tests for a year when you join. Just tell them we sent you! To connect with Andrew Foxwell send an email Andrew@foxwelldigital.com To connect with Brad Ploch send him a DM at https://x.com/brad_ploch To connect with Zach Stuck send him a DM at https://x.com/zachmstuck Learn more about the Foxwell Founders Community at https://foxwellfounders.com Learn more about the The Hive Haus Creators Community at http://HiveHausUGC.com Made With AI

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  Episode #31

  Stop Making More Ads — Fix THIS Instead

  Jun 18, 202651 min

  In the words of Andrew Foxwell, "It's just the guys" and they framed this episode around one big shift: 2025 was the year of creative diversity and raw ad volume, and 2026 is the year that questions, "what is all this volume actually pointing at?" Call it a return to intentionality, and the part of the funnel many brands have been ignoring while chasing creative volume: the landing page. Brad opens by reacting to a Twitter conversation where operators sounded burnt out on the volume game, then reframes the discussion around what you can improve outside of ad creative. The crew works through Cherene's "marketing tornado" idea: If the same person sees your brand 15+ different ways, and the job is consistency of message across all of them, then it's important to arm Meta with creative, landing pages, and offers so its AI (Andromeda) can deliver the right message to the right person at the right time. The heart of the episode is landing page strategy. Zach speed-runs the page-type hierarchy, then both hosts hammer funnel congruency, the ad-to-lander-to-PDP message match they admit was a big driver of their Feb/March scaling. Brad shares a beauty-brand example where simply turning a winning founder video's transcript into a congruent listicle scaled spend 60% month-over-month (twice) with zero new ads. The short: stop hunting for the one winning page, run many congruent pages live at once, and let Meta allocate spend across them. Key Takeaways Why ad-to-landing-page-to-PDP "funnel congruency" is the piece most operators are still leaving on the table in 2026. How one brand scaled spend 60% month-over-month (twice) with zero new ads. Why you need to stop hunting for the single "winning" landing page and instead run many congruent pages live at once. What it actually means to "sell one product 50 different ways," and why your angle TAM is more important than your category TAM. Why the volume game is finally dead, and what the 2026 shift from "make more" to "what is this volume pointing at" means for your testing budget. Why a "marketing tornado," is your best bet to keep message consistency when one buyer sees your brand 15+ different ways. When it actually pays to set different CPA/ROAS targets by funnel stage and product. Why a congruent landing page will lower your CPM, CPMR and earn you a "back tap" from the Meta auction. The order you should be building and testing your landing pages. This episode of the Scalability School podcast is sponsored by NorthBeam and they just launched Northbeam Incrementality. Northbeam Incrementality gives you easy, automated, self-service incrementality tests, while protecting you from the major mistakes so many people make while running incrementality tests. Your MTA handles the daily tactics, your MMM guides the long-term planning, and Incrementality provides the causal truth. It's a closed loop that allows you to scale what works and cut what doesn't. Right now when you head over to www.northbeam.io/incrementality, they're offering Scalability School listeners 50% off unlimited tests for a year when you join. Just tell them we sent you! To connect with Andrew Foxwell send an email Andrew@foxwelldigital.com To connect with Brad Ploch send him a DM at https://x.com/brad_ploch To connect with Zach Stuck send him a DM at https://x.com/zachmstuck Learn more about the Foxwell Founders Community at https://foxwellfounders.com Learn more about the The Hive Haus Creators Community at http://HiveHausUGC.com

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  Episode #30

  How To Make Ads That Spend 10K Day With Harry Delmege

  Jun 4, 202652 minS0

  <p > Harry Delmege, co-founder of Roly Poly Digital, joins Scalability School for a tactical conversation about what actually separates an ad spending $500 a day from one spending $10K a day. Harry's agency, named by Andrew's daughter Nora, has rapidly become one of the most respected creative shops in DTC by pushing back on a lot of what the industry is currently selling: high-volume AI-generated workflows, format obsession, and the relentless push to do more without slowing down to do it well.</p> <p > The conversation digs into Harry's creative philosophy, which he distills into three things he checks every ad...

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