
Episode #7
The Blind Spots AI Safety Cannot Afford
Secured with Dr. KJ | Season 4 The Blind Spots AI Safety Cannot Afford Guest: Lawrence Wagner, Executive Director and Co-Founder, Black in AI Safety and Ethics (BASE) Episode Summary Lawrence Wagner, Executive Director and Co-Founder of BASE, joins Dr. KJ to examine where the security community stands on AI governance and why inclusive pipelines in AI safety are essential to building better, safer AI for everyone. What You Will Learn Why the security community is not yet ready to govern AI systems at the pace frontier models operate How adversarial challenge formats surface vulnerabilities but fall short of addressing systemic governance failures How BASE is building a global pipeline for black researchers and professionals to shape the AI safety field Why senior black leadership in AI and cybersecurity is essential to influencing research, hiring, and company culture Top 3 Takeaways AI is moving faster than governance. Frontier models can identify and exploit vulnerabilities at a speed that outpaces even the most advanced security professionals, making proactive governance essential rather than optional. Governance must be lived, not filed. Organizations that treat AI governance as a compliance trophy remain exposed. True governance is built into strategic policy and practiced as a core business function. Diversity in AI safety is a technical imperative. When only one group builds AI systems, blind spots get baked into the models. BASE exists to bring more perspectives and talent into AI safety so the field can address risks it cannot currently see. Memorable Quotes If you only have one group driving a bus, they can only see a part of the road. They cannot see the whole world. You cannot put AI governance on the shelf and not implement it. If you do not know how to implement it, people and systems are going to be vulnerable. AI is not coming to take your job. AI is coming to complement your job. Educate yourself and get involved, because if you do not, you will fall behind the industry. Connect with Lawrence Wagner LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lawrencewagner BASE Website: https://www.baseresearch.org Support BASE: https://www.baseresearch.org/donate Listen and Subscribe Like, follow, and subscribe to Secured with Dr. KJ: https://swdrkj.riverside.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/secured-with-dr-kj/id1805058517 Spotify: Secured with Dr. KJ YouTube: Secured with Dr. KJ Support the Show Enjoying the show? Share this episode with a colleague, leave a review on Apple Podcasts, and subscribe wherever you listen to help more security professionals find the content they need. Securing tomorrow, one episode at a time.






