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EP107: A fresh look at lead gen | John Schumacher & Laura Walker | Kindling
What does good agency lead generation look like in 2026? At a time when we are surrounded by AI tools and bombarded by automated emails promising to deliver high-quality leads at minimal cost, it's a minefield for agencies considering new business outreach, particularly in challenging market conditions. I have a soft spot for anyone working in lead generation. It's how I started out in this industry over 30 years ago, and whilst so much has changed in that time, one thing remains true: regardless of the advances in technology, successful new business outreach is all about people. In this episode I talk to two brilliant people: John Schumacher and Laura Walker at Kindling . Together we explore: The role of AI vs. human analysis and email craft How agencies can get the best from their lead generation partners Why smaller lists beat spray-and-pray targeting Why people and culture are so important in lead generation Of course, we'll also be giving away a copy of John's recommended read, Just One Thing , by Dr Michael Mosley. Also mentioned in this episode: Kindling (Fickle Flame) by Elbow ft. John Grant Kindling's branding is by John Whalley

