
Episode #57
From Baptist Pastor to FBI Agent: What Criminals Taught Me About People | Eric Robinson
A Baptist pastor leaves the pulpit because the stress is making him physically ill. So he looks for a less stressful job. He joins the FBI. Yes, really. But that extraordinary career change is only the beginning of this conversation with Eric Robinson. Over 24 years with the FBI, Eric worked with gang members, drug dealers, victims of human trafficking, sex offenders and people whose lives had taken them into places very different from his own. He also spent years on SWAT, walking into situations where the possibility of serious harm was very real. And somehow, the man who had been physically overwhelmed by carrying the problems of his congregation discovered something unexpected inside the FBI. Boundaries. Teamwork. Competence. Flow. And the ability to care deeply about another human being without believing he had to carry their life home with him. There is one story in this conversation that has stayed with me. Eric was trying to locate a 15-year-old girl who was being trafficked. During the investigation, he sat on the bumper of his vehicle eating a sandwich with a 20-year-old woman they had arrested. Then she told him her father had sexually abused her since she was two years old and asked: “Do you think that's why I do what I do?” It would have been very easy to see only the crime. Eric saw the person. That doesn't mean excusing harmful behaviour. In fact, Eric spent much of his career holding people accountable for it. It means remaining curious enough to ask what happened before deciding we understand who somebody is. We also talk about dark humour and how FBI agents process experiences most of us will never encounter, the extraordinary trust within a SWAT team, why genuine danger sometimes felt less stressful to Eric than ministry, what happens when competence turns fear into flow, and the strange identity shift that comes when, after 24 years, being an FBI agent is suddenly no longer your job. And then Eric says something beautifully simple: He can't remember a single time he regretted being curious about another person. I think there's something in that for all of us. Because you don't need to be interviewing a criminal to practise curiosity. Sometimes the person we need to understand is our partner. Our child. Our colleague. The stranger we've already judged. Or perhaps even ourselves. From Baptist Pastor to FBI Agent: What Criminals Taught Me About People | Eric Robinson In this episode we explore: • Why Eric's body ultimately forced him to reconsider ministry • The surprising reason the FBI felt less stressful • Caring for people without carrying their lives • What working with victims and offenders taught him about judgement • Life inside FBI SWAT and performing under genuine pressure • The relationship between competence, fear and flow • Why owning mistakes was considered a strength within his team • Dark humour, camaraderie and processing difficult experiences • Losing the identity of “FBI agent” after 24 years • Why curiosity may be one of our most powerful ways of connecting with another human being Eric's upcoming book, Irreverend: From Saving Souls to Chasing Sinners in the FBI , shares more of the stories behind his extraordinary journey. #SuddenlyDifferent #EricRobinson #FBI #HumanBehaviour #Curiosity #Compassion #HumanConnection #SWAT #LifeTransitions #Podcast






