
Episode #17
What reentry work teaches us about shifting public opinion
One of the most difficult parts of our work is when the mission requires changing public perception. History has proven it's possible — but we need to study the formula. This episode tracks how societies move the boundary of what's acceptable, using a framework from political theory called the Overton Window. And our greatest insight comes from two people who are living proof that it works. Shelton McElroy and George Clemens are business partners and criminal justice reformers from Louisville, Kentucky, who have spent their careers changing what people believe about incarcerated people — not by arguing, but by demonstrating. You'll hear them talk about: Why a corrections officer union in Spokane, Washington ended up being one of the best allies for downsizing a jail How a man with Nazi tattoos became 18-year-old Shelton's greatest teacher How Shelton's work training extraction officers at San Quentin becomes a model for changing minds about people we've written off Why Homeboy Industries' new Hope Village campus might be the next thing that moves the window Guests: Shelton McElroy is a licensed mental and behavioral health counselor, strategic planner, and community organizer working at the intersection of behavioral health, housing, and criminal justice reform. He is the founder of Story Group & Associates, which provides trauma-informed counseling, case management, and reentry support — and transforms vacant properties into thriving communities for people returning home from incarceration. Previously, he served as National Director of Strategic Partnerships at The Bail Project, helping launch more than 20 sites nationwide. A formerly incarcerated individual who spent more than fifteen years in the foster care system, Shelton brings lived experience to every aspect of his work. George Clemons is a behavioral health professional whose entry into this field began with his own history of substance use disorder and mental health challenges. He works directly with individuals navigating recovery, reentry, and behavioral health systems, while also advocating for system-level change. He serves on an opioid use disorder advisory board where he helps guide funding decisions for medication management — and brings the same authenticity to his criminal justice reform advocacy, where his lived experience informs both policy and practice. Mentioned: Stories Lighthouse Get in touch

