The Agency Profit Podcast

Welcome to the Agency Profit Podcast hosted by Marcel Petitpas, CEO and Co-Founder of Parakeeto. Finally, an agency podcast that isn't JUST about getting more clients. On the show, we bring in experts, agency owners and consultants to share their actionable tips for improving profitability and operational efficiency. Here, you'll learn what systems to implement in your business, what kind of KPI's to track, and benchmarks to aim for. How to manage things like capacity, utilization, billing rates, processes and procedures, what tools to use, mistakes to avoid and so, so much more. If you're tired of putting out fires, working long hours, and growing revenue but not profits, you're in the right place.

The Agency Profit Podcast is a business podcast hosted by Unknown Host, with 230 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 84. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

Unknown Host hosts The Agency Profit Podcast, a business show with 230 episodes published.

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  Episode #230

  From Time Tracking to Time Intelligence, With Elizabeth Thorn

  Aug 11, 202635 min

  Points of Interest 00:01 – 00:35 – Introducing Time Intelligence: Carson Pierce welcomes Elizabeth Thorn to discuss how agencies can use better time data to improve profitability and decision making. 00:35 – 02:18 – From Agency Owner to SaaS Leader: Elizabeth shares how her experience running a digital marketing agency shaped her perspective on operational efficiency and measuring time. 02:18 – 04:31 – Why Time Tracking Needs to Evolve: The conversation explores why simply recording hours is no longer enough and how agencies can use time data to make smarter business decisions. 04:31 – 06:46 – The Foundation of Reliable Data: Elizabeth explains why accurate, consistent time tracking is essential for forecasting, pricing, utilization, and project profitability. 06:46 – 09:15 – Improving Time Tracking Adoption: Carson and Elizabeth discuss practical ways to reduce friction, encourage team participation, and improve the quality of time data. 09:15 – 11:44 – Balancing Privacy and Accountability: Elizabeth explains why agencies can collect meaningful operational data without relying on invasive employee surveillance. 11:44 – 15:35 – Using Time Data to Prevent Profit Loss: The discussion covers how historical time data can help agencies improve capacity planning, identify delivery issues early, and prevent projects from exceeding budget. 15:35 – 17:28 – Understanding Where Profit Leaks Away: Elizabeth highlights common sources of lost profitability, including scope creep, non-billable work, excessive context switching, and inaccurate project estimates. 17:28 – 19:12 – Busy Teams Are Not Always Productive Teams: Carson explains why teams can feel overwhelmed while still falling short of profitability goals, and why utilization alone does not tell the full story. 19:12 – 23:20 – Measuring the Cost of Context Switching: Elizabeth recommends tracking a typical workweek to uncover hidden inefficiencies and better understand how work is actually distributed. 23:20 – 29:18 – Learning from Historical Performance: Carson and Elizabeth discuss how agencies can use historical project data to create more realistic forecasts, staffing plans, and utilization targets. 29:18 – 32:48 – Connecting Time Data with Agency Operations: The conversation explores how time tracking works alongside project management, finance, and operational workflows to improve visibility across the business. 32:48 – 35:13 – Building a More Profitable Agency: Elizabeth closes by encouraging agency owners to establish trustworthy operational data first, making it easier to improve margins, utilization, capacity planning, and long-term profitability. Show Notes Connect with Elizabeth Thorn & Toggl LinkedIn YouTube Heist Calculator (Agency Profit Leakage Tool) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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  Episode #228

  Pass-Through Revenue: The Money That Was Never Yours, With Carson and Kristen

  Jul 14, 202632 min

  Points of Interest 00:01 Introduction and New AI-Driven Call Analysis: Kristen and Carson introduce a new process where they use Claude to analyze client calls regularly and surface recurring themes for the podcast, starting with today's topic: pass-through. 01:14 Defining Pass-Through: Kristen defines pass-through as any money that flows from a client through the agency to another vendor, where the agency isn't responsible for that cost's profitability, citing examples like media spend, print budgets, and stock imagery. 03:26 Defining AGI and the Formula: Carson explains Agency Gross Income (AGI) as top-line revenue minus pass-through, emphasizing that a $5 million agency by billings might actually be a $1 million agency once pass-through is removed. 05:34 Case Study: Media Spend Masking True Agency Size: Kristen shares an example of a $3 million agency that was really closer to $1.5 million once media planning and buying income was stripped away, due to a messy chart of accounts. 07:26 Case Study: Off-Balance-Sheet Media Slush Fund: Kristen describes a second client who kept media dollars off their P&L entirely, creating the illusion of abundant cash on hand and complicating tracking of which funds belonged to which client. 09:17 Cash Flow Risks of Fronting Pass-Through: Kristen and Carson discuss how agencies that don't collect pass-through funds upfront risk becoming an unintentional bank for their clients, leading to cash flow trouble. 10:16 Case Study: Events Agency Mistaking $10M for $2M: Carson recounts a client who operated as if they were a $10 million agency when 80% of that revenue was pass-through events costs, leaving them a $2 million agency with unsustainable spending habits. 12:02 Case Study: Understaffing Miscalculation on a $100K Event: Carson shares a second events example where a team overstaffed a $100,000 event without realizing only $20,000 of that actually belonged to the agency, locking them into a multi-year contract destined to lose money. 16:26 The Contractor Decision Tree: Kristen walks through a sequential framework for classifying contractors as pass-through, delivery expense, or shared delivery cost, based on questions about salary status, compensation structure, and cost attribution. 23:15 Pricing and Estimating Projects with Pass-Through in Mind: Kristen and Carson explain how to separate people costs from pass-through costs when building project estimates, using breakeven calculations to arrive at a target price with margin. 25:09 Making Pass-Through Visible on the P&L: Carson advises working with bookkeepers to separate pass-through from cost of goods sold so agencies can clearly see their AGI rather than having it obscured within a muddled COGS section. 28:15 Tracking Costs and Empowering Project Managers: Kristen recommends empowering project managers closest to the delivery work to track and flag cost overruns proactively, rather than leaving pass-through reconciliation solely to bookkeepers or finance. Show Notes Free Agency Toolkit Parakeeto Foundations Course Free access to our Model Platform Connect on LinkedIn Carson Pierce Kristen Kelly Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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  Episode #227

  Profitability Is an Operations Problem, with Sarah Still

  Jun 30, 202643 min

  Points of Interest 00:00 – 01:43 – Introduction: Marcel introduces Sarah Still, Partner and COO at RAYNE IX , and frames the conversation around agency operations, profitability, scaling, and building valuable businesses. 01:44 – 02:28 – Helping Women Build Valuable Agencies: Sarah explains how RAYNE IX works with women agency owners to improve performance, build enterprise value, and prepare for future exit opportunities. 02:29 – 04:33 – From Finance to Agency Operations: Sarah shares how her accounting background led her into agency operations after helping clean up the books of a startup marketing agency. 04:34 – 06:10 – Building RAYNE IX After Agency Leadership: Sarah describes leaving her COO role after 11 years and eventually partnering with Kylie Peters to support women building healthier agencies. 06:11 – 08:39 – Why Focus on Women Agency Owners: Sarah explains the personal and professional motivation behind helping women founders capture the value they are creating in their businesses. 08:40 – 11:32 – Operationalized Leadership: Sarah argues that agencies often miss the importance of defining values, behaviors, standards, and leadership cadences that protect the business as it scales. 11:33 – 13:58 – Clarifying Founder Values: Marcel reflects on how unclear values at Parakeeto led to frustration, poor leadership moments, and delayed decisions around hiring and accountability. 13:59 – 15:43 – Culture as the Result of Enforced Values: Sarah explains that culture is not created through intention alone, but through the behaviors, standards, and values that leaders consistently enforce. 15:44 – 19:18 – The Power of Clear Expectations: Marcel and Sarah discuss how expectations shape leadership, performance, accountability, pricing, forecasting, and enterprise value. 19:19 – 24:52 – Assumptions Before Certainty: Sarah and Marcel explore why agencies should not wait for perfect clarity before taking action, but should make assumptions explicit so results can be compared against expectations. 24:53 – 28:59 – Time Tracking and Precision Traps: Sarah and Marcel discuss why unreliable time-tracking data can be worse than no data, and how agencies often overcomplicate measurement without knowing what question they are trying to answer. 29:00 – 43:38 – Finance, Operations, and Profitability: Sarah and Marcel unpack why profitability is an operational problem made visible through finance, and why agency leaders must understand the tradeoffs between margin, hiring, utilization, pricing, team health, and growth. Show Notes RAYNE IX Connect on LinkedIn Sarah Still Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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  Episode #226

  We Take Care of the Money: Parakeeto's New Positioning, Explained, With Kristen Kelly & Carson Pierce

  Jun 16, 202628 minS0

  <h2>Points of Interest</h2> 00:01 – 00:53 – Why Revisit Positioning: Carson and Kristen introduce Parakeeto's repositioning effort and explain why they wanted to publicly discuss the evolution of the company's messaging. 00:53 – 02:18 – The Profitability Problem: The discussion explores how Parakeeto's heavy emphasis on profitability created confusion about what the company actually does for clients. 02:18 – 04:21 – The Challenge of Category Creation: Carson and Kristen reflect on attempts to create or fit into categories like FinOps and why unfamiliar categories often create more confusion than clarity. 04:21 – 06:18 – From Profitability to Stewardship: The conversation introduces the new positioning centered around helping agency owners focus on building their businesses while Parakeeto...

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  Episode #226

  Shifting From Operator to Owner, With Jason Swenk

  Jun 3, 202641 minS0

  <h2>Points of Interest</h2> 00:00 – 02:12 – Jason Swenk's Agency Journey: Jason shares how he accidentally started an agency in 1999, grew it to more than 100 employees, sold it after 11 years, and eventually transitioned into coaching agency owners worldwide. 02:12 – 06:22 – Designing a Lifestyle Business: Jason explains how agency owners often aspire to more freedom and flexibility, sharing how he structures his own workweek and prioritizes experiences outside of work. 06:23 – 10:14 – Escaping the Operator Trap: Jason introduces an exercise that helps founders identify the tasks they dislike and begin designing their business around their strengths instead of remaining stuck in daily operations. 10:15 – 13:19 – The Manager Stage and Delegation Chall...

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