The Criterion Institute Podcast

How do we disrupt the entrenched power dynamics in finance to advance a more equitable future? Join us for the Criterion Institute Podcast as Joy Anderson, a global thought leader in business and social change, leads us through a series of discussions, interviews, frameworks, rants, and re-frames that will help you better understand how to use finance as a tool for transformative systems change. Learn more by visiting us at www.criterioninstitute.org.

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  Episode #85

  #85: Changing Your Frame Not Your Mind: Ensuring Your Actions Follow What You See

  Aug 12, 202625 minS1

  A colleague recently asked Joy Anderson where she'd changed her mind—the kind of question you ask to find out whether someone is actually learning, or just defending old positions with better language. Her honest answer surprised her, and it probably won't be the one you're expecting. Because over 25 years, the changes that mattered most weren't reversals at all. They were quieter than that, harder to name, and they rearranged how she works, what she'll own, and where she draws the line. Next, Joy walks through a handful of moments where nothing about the facts changed—same rooms, same partners, same work—and yet everything did. It's a reflection on the stories we tell ourselves about our place in the work, why they're so hard to let go of, and what becomes possible when we finally do. She closes by turning the question back on you: what are you looking at right now that might be ready to be seen differently? Episode Highlights 00:00 - Introduction to the episode and core themes 02:35 - The question of changing one's mind and seeing differently 03:30 - Reframing support as infrastructure in social change work 07:21 - The shift from outsider to inside the work 09:16 - Personal reframing: recognizing limits as system design constraints 17:31 - The importance of seeing and acting on what you see 18:54 - Invitation to reflect on current frames and perceptions Relevant Links Criterion Institute website and LinkedIn Joy Anderson's LinkedIn Joanna Levitt Cea's LinkedIn Dive Deeper Fostering a Feminist Financial Imagination https://www.criterioninstitute.org/resources/fostering-a-feminist-financial-imagination This publication explores the role of imagination in creating alternative financial futures and aligns closely with Joy's discussion of reframing reality and expanding what becomes possible through new ways of seeing. Framework for Financing the Prevention of Gender-Based Violence https://www.criterioninstitute.org/resources/framework-for-financing-the-prevention-of-gender-based… The framework emphasizes finance as a system of power rather than simply a source of funding, echoing the episode's distinction between support work and infrastructure-building. Reflection: Making Gender-Based Violence Material to the World of Finance https://www.criterioninstitute.org/resources/reflection-making-gender-based-violence-material-to-th… A classic Criterion reframe that demonstrates how changing the frame around a problem can fundamentally alter how finance interprets risk and opportunity. A Commitment to Address Gender-Based Violence https://www.criterioninstitute.org/resources/gbv This resource highlights the importance of imagining alternative futures and changing assumptions about what finance can do, themes woven throughout this episode. If you enjoyed this episode, consider listening to: #84: Narratives, Local, and the Stories That Shape Finance https://www.criterioninstitute.org/podcasts/podcast-episode-84 A conversation exploring how narratives influence financial systems and the ways stories shape what becomes visible and possible. #82: How Staying in Paradox Can Sustain Hope and Drive Systemic Change https://www.criterioninstitute.org/podcasts/podcast-episode-82 Joy examines the tensions and paradoxes that emerge when trying to create lasting systems change, complementing this episode's exploration of competing frames and perspectives. #80: What Are You Willing to See? Disruption, Fault Lines, and the Moments That Matter https://www.criterioninstitute.org/podcasts/podcast-episode-80 A reflection on disruption as a tool for revealing underlying systems, making it a natural companion to this episode's focus on perception and awareness. #79: From Invitation to Trust: Rethinking Relationships in Finance https://www.criterioninstitute.org/podcasts/podcast-episode-79 An episode about invitation, relationship-building, and the practices that create conditions for transformation. #45: Making Sense of Complexity: Frameworks That Work (and Those That Don't) https://www.criterioninstitute.org/podcasts/podcast-episode-45 One of the closest thematic matches in...

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  Episode #84

  #84: Narratives, Local, and the Stories That Shape Finance

  Jul 29, 202649 minS1

  What stories shape what we believe is possible in finance? In this episode, Joy Anderson sits down with Joanna Levitt Cea, Founder and Principal of Valiente Capital Design and co-lead of the Beloved Economies Collaborative for Narrative Infrastructure, to explore the role of narratives in creating economic and systems change. Together, they unpack the difference between stories, communications strategies, and narratives themselves, examining how underlying cultural assumptions influence the ways we understand ownership, investment, opportunity, and power. The conversation explores why narrative change is not simply about finding the right message, but about collective action, organizing, and reshaping the stories that define what people believe is possible. The episode then turns to one of the most common and often unquestioned words in innovative finance: local. Joy examines five distinct narratives embedded within the concept. Rather than treating local as a geographic descriptor, she argues that each narrative carries a different theory of change and implies different practices around governance, ownership, expertise, and value creation. Together, these reflections invite listeners to ask not whether finance is local, but what narrative of local is being invoked and whether the structures of finance actually make that narrative real. Episode Highlights 00:00 Introduction to the power of narratives in finance 01:20 Narratives shape what people believe is possible 02:18 The importance of stories in social and environmental finance 03:26 Ownership economy and its narrative shifts 04:54 The role of narratives in building intergenerational wealth 07:59 The collaborative approach to narrative change 10:20 Stories as drivers of policy and norm shifts 12:17 Narrative as a team sport and collective action 34:04 The multiple narratives of local in finance 36:29 Different stories of local and their implications 42:52 The narrative of economic self-determination 44:46 Local knowledge as a narrative of expertise 46:34 The shift from communities being investment-ready to capital being context-ready 47:41 Conclusion: The importance of deep narrative change and systems transformation ‍ Relevant Links Criterion Institute website and LinkedIn Joy Anderson's LinkedIn Joanna Levitt Cea's LinkedIn ‍ Dive Deeper Investing to shift power: advanced practices of Africa's investment leaders This article examines how investment leaders are redesigning financial practices to address power dynamics embedded within investment structures. By highlighting innovations in governance, investor participation, accountability, and decision-making, it complements this episode's discussion of narratives by showing how underlying assumptions about authority, expertise, and ownership become embedded in financial systems and how those assumptions can be intentionally challenged and changed. Advanced practices in local capital design: Trade Lenda This resource examines how financial structures can be intentionally designed around local knowledge, governance, ownership, and accountability. It directly connects to the episode's exploration of local as democratic legitimacy, contextual intelligence, and economic self-determination. Framework for financing the prevention of gender-based violence This framework provides an example of how financial systems can be redesigned to address power dynamics rather than simply expanding access. It reinforces the episode's discussion of moving beyond surface-level solutions and examining the underlying structures that shape outcomes. ‍ If you enjoyed this episode, consider listening to: #66: Designing Finance for Context: A Conversation with Joanna Levitt Cea Joy Anderson and Joanna Levitt Cea explore how fund design can become a tool for shifting power, why context should come before replication, and how finance can be redesigned around community knowledge and lived experience. #79: From Invitation to Trust: Rethinking Relationships in Finance A complementary conversation about relationships, trust, and the underlying assumptions that shape how financial systems operate. #78: Intermediation is Not Overhead An exploration of financial infrastructure, system design, and why the structures that connect capital matter as much as the capital itself. ‍ Part of the ImpactAlpha Podcast Network.

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  Episode #83

  #83: Trust as Infrastructure: Trade Lenda and the Power of Informal Markets

  Jul 15, 202640 minS1

  What happens when finance starts with trust instead of control? In this conversation, Joy Anderson and Adeshina Adewumi explore how Trade Lenda has built financial infrastructure around the realities of informal markets across Nigeria. Rather than treating informality as a problem to be fixed, Trade Lenda recognizes existing systems of trust, accountability, and economic participation and designs financial products that work within them. The discussion traces the full supply chain, from farmers and aggregators to manufacturers, distributors, and retailers, and examines why supporting the entire value chain creates stronger, more resilient markets. The conversation also explores how power operates in financial systems. Adeshina explains how Trade Lenda rethinks creditworthiness, works with community accountability structures, develops Sharia-compliant financing options, and provides capacity-building alongside capital. Together, Joy and Ade examine how trust can become infrastructure: creating financial systems that move capital faster, expand economic opportunity, and preserve the community relationships that make markets function in the first place. The result is a compelling example of how finance can support dignity, shared prosperity, and transformative systems change. ‍ Episode Highlights 00:28 - The importance of trust in finance and community systems. 01:28 - Understanding informal markets as systems to be supported. 04:10 - Trade Lenda's approach to financing entire supply chains. 05:06 - Why agriculture, retail, and essential services matter for economic growth. 07:43 - Rethinking collateral and credit access for underserved entrepreneurs. 11:01 - How speed and capital turnover drive successful trade finance. 14:22 - Diversifying within value chains to manage risk and strengthen markets. 17:42 - Why knowledge and business support can be as important as capital. 28:02 - Using community accountability and trust as financial infrastructure. 35:13 - Capital moves at the speed of trust. ‍ Relevant Links Criterion Institute website and LinkedIn Joy Anderson’s LinkedIn Adeshina Adewumi’s LinkedIn ‍ Dive Deeper Advanced practices in local capital design: Trade Lenda This case study directly examines Trade Lenda's approach to designing financial systems around informal markets, community accountability, alternative underwriting, and localized financial infrastructure. It is essentially the written companion to many of the ideas discussed in the episode. Framework for financing the prevention of gender-based violence This framework provides one of Criterion's core approaches to understanding how financial structures influence social outcomes and how systems can be intentionally redesigned. Mentioned in related Criterion resource descriptions. ‍ If you enjoyed this episode, consider listening to: #79: From Invitation to Trust: Rethinking Relationships in Finance This episode explores trust as a foundational practice for leadership, collaboration, and systems change, making it the closest thematic companion to the Trade Lenda discussion. #78: Intermediation is Not Overhead A reframing of financial infrastructure and intermediation that connects directly to this episode's discussion of building systems that allow capital to move more effectively through markets. #62: Pipelines of Trust: Rethinking Local Capital Mobilization in Africa A natural follow-on episode focused on trust, local capital, African investment ecosystems, and adapting financial models to local contexts. ‍ Part of the ImpactAlpha Podcast Network

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  Episode #82

  #82: How Staying in Paradox Can Sustain Hope and Drive Systemic Change

  Jul 1, 202636 minS1

  In this episode, Joy Anderson responds to some listener questions, naming six paradoxes she encounters when working to shift financial systems toward gender justice and social change. Joy frames paradox as a discipline: holding two seemingly incompatible truths at once such as movement and field-building, urgency and patience, collaboration and competition and resisting the urge to resolve them prematurely. Across themes ranging from pluralism in knowledge to the risks of public experimentation, Joy explores how finance simultaneously enables and constrains transformation. She emphasizes that these tensions are signals rather than problems, helping us see where systems are unstable and change is possible. The episode closes with practical reflections on working within paradox. Episode Highlights 00:00 - Introduction to Paradox in Systems Change 05:01 - The Movement vs. Professional Field Paradox 10:44 - Long-Term Change vs. Immediate Harm Paradox 14:32 - Collaboration vs. Competition Paradox 18:16 - Public Learning vs. Risk Aversion Paradox 22:08 - Pluralism vs. Standardization Paradox 27:21 - Living with Paradox: Practices and Reflections 34:11 - Conclusion: Embracing Complexity in Change Relevant Links Criterion Institute website and LinkedIn Joy Anderson’s LinkedIn Dive Deeper Framework for Financing the Prevention of Gender-Based Violence Links to the episode’s focus on how financial systems shape—and can transform—the conditions underlying harm. Fòs Feminista: Building Feminist Financial Infrastructure Illustrates how movements build institutional structures—mirroring the movement vs. field paradox described in the episode. Gender Lens Investing A foundational resource on integrating gender and power into financial decision-making, relevant to the episode’s reflections on pluralism and standardized “proof.” If you enjoyed this episode, consider listening to: #80: What Are You Willing to See? Disruption, Fault Lines, and the Moments That Matter Explores disruption as a moment that reveals underlying systems—closely aligned with the idea of paradox as a site of transformation. #79: From Invitation to Trust: Rethinking Relationships in Finance Builds on relational dynamics and collaboration—core tensions discussed in this episode. #78: Intermediation is Not Overhead Extends the conversation on field-building infrastructure and how systems change actually happens. #77: Strength Is the Strategy: A Conversation on Movement‑Led Finance Directly connects to the movement vs. field paradox by exploring how movements build financial tools and institutions. Part of the ImpactAlpha Podcast Network

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  Episode #81

  #81: AI at the Door: Grace, Hospitality, and Who We Talk To

  Jun 17, 202618 minS1

  In this episode of the Criterion Institute Podcast, Joy reflects on a recent conversation with her brother, philosopher Joel Anderson, about how AI is changing the way we work. While AI can function like a team of highly capable research assistants by supporting analysis, drafting, and synthesis, Joy explores the unintended consequences of turning to machines instead of people. What appears efficient on the surface can quietly lead to a withdrawal from collaboration, reducing opportunities for shared thinking, disagreement, and collective insight. Drawing on Criterion’s core values of grace, hospitality, and the power of invitation, Joy reframes how AI should be used in systems change work. These practices of inviting others into the work, sharing ownership of ideas, and creating space for multiple perspectives are essential to shifting power. The question is not whether AI is helpful, but whether it is being used to deepen collaboration or to avoid it. Joy challenges listeners to reflect on who they are inviting into their work, and whether AI is expanding or replacing those invitations. Episode Highlights 00:28 — A conversation on AI and collaboration 02:30 — The metaphor of AI as research assistants 04:49 — Grace, hospitality, and invitation as operating principles 07:08 — When efficiency becomes isolation 09:35 — The risk of replacing people with tools 11:59 — Rethinking participation and co‑creation 14:06 — Questions to guide AI use in practice Relevant Links Criterion Institute website and LinkedIn Joy Anderson’s LinkedIn Dive Deeper Framework for Financing the Prevention of Gender-Based Violence Highlights how systems—including finance—shape participation, power, and decision-making Innovative Finance Navigation Guide Supports broader participation in financial systems and conversations Advanced practices in gender lens investing: FrontEnd Ventures Demonstrates how analysis changes when multiple perspectives are included If you enjoyed this episode, consider listening to: #79: From Invitation to Trust: Rethinking Relationships in Finance #76: Bring Your Expertise: Why AI Needs More Voices #30: You Are Welcome: Hospitality, Strangers, and Family Myths #74: No Permission Required: Volunteerism as a Power Shift #78: Intermediation is Not Overhead Part of the ImpactAlpha Podcast Network

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