
The Cutting Edge Japan Business Show
387 Japan Sales Mastery Podcast Interview With Dr. Greg Story
"We are not after the sale. We are after the reorder." "You can't use consultative selling until you build that trust bridge first." "If you're not a good storyteller, then you better learn to become a good storyteller." "Doing nothing has a cost — opportunity cost." "What is your true intention? Are you just trying to make a sale, or are you building a lifetime relationship with this buyer?" Dr. Greg Story is President of Dale Carnegie Tokyo Training and has spent around forty years living and selling in Japan. His sales career began remarkably early, at sixteen, selling Encyclopaedia Britannica door-to-door in Brisbane, Australia — an experience he freely admits he was "absolutely hopeless" at. He later established his own consulting company, where necessity forced him to sell his own professional services despite having no formal sales training. He subsequently joined Jones Lang Wootton, now JLL, where he began learning sales more systematically through experience, observation and on-the-job development. After discovering the world of professional sales training, he studied the methodologies of leading sales trainers and initially brought a Western consultative-selling approach with him when he began working in Japan in 1992. He quickly discovered, however, that simply transplanting Western sales techniques into Japan did not work. His experience selling in the Japanese market led him to modify the conventional consultative approach by placing considerably more emphasis on trust, gaining permission before questioning buyers, understanding Japanese organisational decision-making and developing relationships aimed at generating repeat business rather than simply closing individual transactions. That experience ultimately became part of the foundation for his book Japan Sales Mastery and his broader work training sales professionals in Japan. Selling in Japan requires more than importing a successful Western sales methodology and assuming it will work unchanged. For Dr. Greg Story, that lesson became obvious after arriving in Japan and discovering that the consultative selling techniques he had learned elsewhere were producing disappointing results. The missing element was trust. Traditional consultative selling encourages the salesperson to ask detailed questions about the buyer's organisation, problems and needs. Yet Japanese buyers may be reluctant to disclose potentially sensitive information to somebody they have only just met — particularly when that person is an unfamiliar supplier. Story therefore developed an additional bridging step: first establish enough trust and then obtain permission to ask questions. Only after that permission has been established can genuine needs discovery begin. This affects how solutions should be presented as well. Japanese sales presentations often remain at the specification level, concentrating heavily on technical details. Story argues that specifications alone do not create compelling buying reasons. Salespeople must move through a sequence: specification, benefit, application of that benefit to the client's organisation, evidence from a comparable client and finally a trial close. Evidence is particularly important because the buyer must reduce the perceived risk associated with choosing a new supplier. A short story about a similar organisation facing a similar issue can help the buyer visualise how the proposed solution might work inside their own company. Understanding internal decision-making is equally important. In larger Japanese companies, the person attending the sales meeting may not possess final decision authority. Proposals can move through multiple sections and stakeholders, with numerous people capable of stopping a decision and relatively few capable of approving it. This makes patience essential. Japanese buyers are often managing two competing risks. Moving first creates personal and organisational exposure if the decision fails. Yet doing nothing can also create opportunity cost if competitors move ahead. Effective salespeople therefore help buyers recognise both sides of the equation while reducing risk through evidence, pilot projects or small trial orders. Regional differences matter too. Story characterises Nagoya as highly conservative and price-sensitive, Osaka as more commercially direct, and Tokyo as more ambiguous in its communication of buying intentions. Above all, Story argues that salespeople in Japan should change the objective itself. The goal should not simply be winning the first order. "We are not after the sale. We are after the reorder." That philosophy changes sales from a sequence of transactions into a long-term trust-building process. Follow-up after delivery, remaining involved when problems arise and demonstrating integrity throughout the relationship become central elements of sustainable selling. The underlying Japanese idea Story connects with this philosophy is kokorogamae : preparing one's mind and clarifying one's intention before undertaking the task. For sales professionals, the question becomes simple but profound: is the objective merely to achieve this month's target, or to build a lifetime relationship with the buyer? Q&A Summary Why is selling in Japan different? Dr. Greg Story argues that one of the biggest differences is the amount of trust required before meaningful needs discovery can begin. When he first used Western-style consultative selling in Japan, he attempted to ask detailed questions about clients' problems and requirements. Japanese buyers were often unwilling to provide such information because he had not yet established sufficient trust. His solution was to insert another stage into the selling process: establish the relationship and gain permission to ask questions before beginning detailed discovery. Without that permission, salespeople risk being told simply to "give me your pitch", leaving them unable to determine whether their solution actually matches the buyer's needs. How should a solution be presented? Story recommends moving beyond specifications. His sequence is: Specification → Benefit → Application of the Benefit → Evidence → Trial Close. Specifications explain what the solution does. Benefits explain why those specifications matter. The application stage then demonstrates how those benefits would work inside the buyer's particular organisation. Evidence follows, ideally involving a comparable company that faced a similar challenge and achieved a measurable result. Finally, the salesperson conducts a soft trial close to discover whether the buyer accepts the logic or still has concerns. Rather than aggressively claiming that a solution will definitely work, Story recommends a more measured approach appropriate to Japan, inviting the buyer to consider whether similar results might be achievable in their organisation. Why is storytelling important in Japanese sales? Evidence becomes considerably more persuasive when delivered through a story. A salesperson can describe another organisation with similar challenges, explain what happened and show the results produced by the solution. The objective is to allow buyers to picture the situation in their own minds and recognise similarities with their company. These stories do not need to be lengthy. Story suggests that around a minute can often be sufficient. The critical point is relevance. Buyers should be thinking: "That sounds like us. If it worked there, perhaps it could work here." How should salespeople deal with Japanese risk aversion? Risk reduction is fundamental. In many Western organisations, someone who successfully takes a risk may gain recognition, promotion or financial reward. Story argues that Japanese managers may perceive the personal downside of failure more strongly than the upside of taking an unconventional risk. Consequently, salespeople need to make the proposed decision safer. They can use relevant case studies, demonstrate longevity and credibility, provide evidence of successful adoption, or suggest a pilot programme, trial order or limited implementation. At the same time, they should introduce the opportunity cost of doing nothing. Japanese organisations may prefer following rather than pioneering, but waiting too long can allow competitors to capture clients, market share or technological advantage. The salesperson therefore helps the buyer consider both risks: the risk of taking action and the risk of taking no action. How are decisions made inside Japanese companies? The individual sitting opposite the salesperson is frequently not the final decision-maker. Larger organisations often require input from multiple departments, divisions or stakeholders. Each party may evaluate how the proposed change will affect their own area. This can make decisions appear slow or unclear. A response such as "we need to think about it" does not necessarily indicate rejection. There may genuinely be numerous internal discussions and approvals required. The salesperson therefore needs a champion inside the organisation who can help explain the solution to other stakeholders and move the proposal through the internal decision-making process. How should salespeople compete against an incumbent supplier? Replacing an established supplier is one of the most difficult sales challenges. Instead of immediately demanding that the buyer abandon the incumbent, Story suggests introducing the argument that relying entirely on one supplier itself creates risk. The prospect might consider using an additional supplier for a small portion of the business. This enables the challenger to demonstrate service quality through an actual assignment while allowing the buyer to evaluate performance without undertaking a major organisational change. A small trial can therefore create the opening from which a larger relationship develops. What is the ultimate sales lesson? The objective is the reorder, not merely the first sale. The first transaction establishes an opportunity. The repeat order demonstrates trust. Story argues that salespeople therefore need to remain engaged after the contract is signed. They should maintain contact throughout delivery and ensure buyers know that problems will be addressed rather than disappearing immediately to chase another prospect. This requires what Story describes using the Japanese concept of kokorogamae — preparing the mind and establishing the right intention. A transactional salesperson enters the meeting thinking about quotas and closing. A relationship-focused salesperson enters thinking about creating enough trust to build a long-term business relationship. For selling successfully in Japan, Story believes that distinction is fundamental. Author Credentials Dr. Greg Story, Ph.D. in Japanese Decision-Making, is President of Dale Carnegie Tokyo Training and Adjunct Professor at Griffith University. He is a two-time winner of the Dale Carnegie "One Carnegie Award" (2018, 2021) and recipient of the Griffith University Business School Outstanding Alumnus Award (2012). As a Dale Carnegie Master Trainer, Greg is certified to deliver globally across all leadership, communication, sales, and presentation programs, including Leadership Training for Results. He has written several books, including three best-sellers — Japan Business Mastery, Japan Sales Mastery, and Japan Presentations Mastery — along with Japan Leadership Mastery and How to Stop Wasting Money on Training. His works have also been translated into Japanese, including Za Eigyō ( ザ営業 ), Purezen no Tatsujin ( プレゼンの達人 ), Torēningu de Okane o Muda ni Suru no wa Yamemashō ( トレーニングでお金を無駄にするのはやめましょう ), and Gendaiban "Hito o Ugokasu" Rīdā ( 現代版「人を動かす」リーダー ). In addition to his books, Greg publishes daily blogs on LinkedIn, Facebook, and Twitter, offering practical insights on leadership, communication, and Japanese business culture. He is also the host of six weekly podcasts, including The Leadership Japan Series, The Sales Japan Series, The Presentations Japan Series, Japan Business Mastery, and Japan's Top Business Interviews. On YouTube, he produces three weekly shows — The Cutting Edge Japan Business Show, Japan Business Mastery, and Japan's Top Business Interviews — which have become leading resources for executives seeking strategies for success in Japan.

