The Future of Finance Podcast

Join us as we dive into the transformative power of finance and its potential to create a sustainable, equitable future. Hosted by Georges Dyer, Executive Director of the Intentional Endowments Network, this podcast brings together trailblazing experts, visionary investors, passionate students, and innovative thinkers across finance, academia, sustainability, policy, and civil society. Through engaging conversations, we explore big ideas like sustainable investing, impact-driven strategies, reimagining capitalism, tackling climate change, reducing inequality, and reshaping economic systems to better serve people and the planet. Whether you’re a student aspiring to shape the future of finance or an investor seeking meaningful impact, this podcast is your gateway to understanding how the financial system can evolve to meet today’s challenges and restore the natural systems we all depend on. Subscribe now and be part of the conversation shaping the future!

The Future of Finance Podcast is a education podcast hosted by Georges Dyer, with 81 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

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  Episode #82

  Field Building for System Level Influence Discussion | TIIP 2026 Symposium

  Aug 12, 202652 min

  Internal guardrails and standards achieve scale only when supported by coordinated field-level action. Featuring Cambria Allen-Ratzlaff (PRI), Fran Seegull (USIIA), Georges Dyer (IEN), and Josh Zinner (ICCR), this session examined field building as a critical—but often underappreciated—lever for system-level investing. Moderated by Chavon Sutton of Cambridge Associates, panelists explored how investors can shape shared norms, information flows, and policy environments, and why collaboration with peers—including competitors—is often essential to addressing risks no single investor can manage alone.

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  Episode #80

  The Future of Sustainable Investing in Endowments with George Suttles

  Aug 5, 202644 min

  George Suttles is Executive Director of the Common Fund Institute, where he leads the organization's education, benchmarking, and professional development work for endowment and foundation investors. In this episode, Suttles joins host Georges Dyer to discuss how institutional investors are approaching sustainable and mission-aligned investing amid a shifting political and regulatory environment, a conversation relevant to any CIO, trustee, or asset manager weighing how to hold a long-term course through short-term pressure. Key themes covered in this episode: - How fiduciary duty and sustainable investing intersect for long-term institutional investors - What long-running endowment research shows about the direction of the field - How institutions build governance literacy through structured professional development - The current state of diverse manager allocation amid legal and political headwinds This conversation offers a grounded, practitioner's view of how institutional capital continues to evolve without departing from fiduciary discipline. -- Resources: IEN 2026 Annual Forum November 18–20, 2026 University of Toronto, ON https://www.zeffy.com/en-US/ticketing/2026-annual-forum NACUBO-Commonfund Study of Endowments — https://www.commonfund.org/commonfund-benchmark-studies Investment Stewardship Academy (Commonfund Institute, Yale University) — https://www.commonfund.org/investment-stewardship-academy Espresso Chats podcast (Commonfund Institute) — https://www.commonfund.org/espressochats Impact Finance Center's Diverse Managers initiative — https://impactfinancecenter.org/diverse-managers/ -- General Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 01:59 Fiduciary Duty and Staying the Course 06:22 Where Institutional Investors Stand Today 10:06 How Asset Managers Are Responding 15:45 Inside the NACUBO-Commonfund Study of Endowments 20:41 Building Governance Literacy 29:36 Diverse Managers Amid Legal and Political Headwinds 38:23 What Effective Governance Change Looks Like 45:59 Closing Thoughts and Advice

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  Episode #79

  Fireside Chat about System-Level Investing Book Launch | From the 2026 TIIP Symposium

  Jul 29, 202632 min

  As fiduciary expectations evolve, so too must the shared frameworks and reference points that guide boards, CIOs, and investment committees. Moderated by Tynesia Boyea-Robinson (CapEQ), this fireside conversation marks the launch of The Handbook on System-Level Investing. Editors Jon Lukomnik and William Burckart discuss why the Handbook is arriving now—amid intensifying systemic risks, rising scrutiny of fiduciary practice, and growing recognition that diversification alone cannot protect long-term returns. Drawing on case studies from leading global investors, they explore how system-level investing has moved from theory to practice and what decision-makers need to understand as market outcomes are increasingly shaped by system health. Get your copy here: a.co/d/0ch6wiRr

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  Episode #78

  Roy Swan of Ford Foundation on His New Book Positive Sum and Fixing Zero-Sum Capitalism

  Jul 22, 202655 min

  Roy Swan, Head of Mission Investing at the Ford Foundation, joins Georges Dyer to talk about his new book, Positive Sum: How Zero Sum Thinking Broke Capitalism and How We Can Fix It. Drawing on his experience running Ford Foundation's mission-related investing program, Roy makes the case for positive-sum capital allocation, not as a values position, but as a measurable efficiency argument. For endowment leaders, CIOs, and trustees weighing how fiduciary duty applies in a more complex world, this conversation grounds the debate in economic theory, historical precedent, and portfolio-level evidence rather than advocacy. In this episode, Roy and Georges discuss: The research behind the $50 trillion figure — economic research Roy cites on lost economic output from exclusionary, zero-sum systems, plus supporting data from Citigroup and MIT Sloan on worker disengagement The mathematical origins of zero-sum and positive-sum thinking (von Neumann and Nash) and why the distinction matters for capital allocation How Ford Foundation's mission-related investing program is structured across themes like affordable housing, financial inclusion, and responsible technology Why fiduciary duty and positive externalities are increasingly inseparable for foundations, pensions, and sovereign wealth funds This conversation is intended to inform institutional decision-making and does not constitute investment advice. Listeners should consult a qualified professional before making investment decisions. -- Resources mentioned in this episode: IEN 2026 Annual Forum November 18–20, 2026 University of Toronto, ON https://www.zeffy.com/en-US/ticketing/2026-annual-forum Roy Swan’s Book Positive Sum: How Zero Sum Thinking Broke Capitalism and How We Can Fix It: https://a.co/d/046uE19t RAND Corporation, Trends in Income From 1975 to 2018 (Carter C. Price & Kathryn A. Edwards) → https://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/WRA516-1.html Citigroup research on the cost of racial and economic inequality (est. $16 trillion, ~2000–2020) https://www.citigroup.com/global/insights/closing-the-racial-inequality-gaps-20200922 MIT Sloan / Good Jobs Institute research on worker engagement and its cost to the economy (Prof. Zeynep Ton) https://goodjobsinstitute.org/ -- General Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 02:17 Why Foundations Separate Endowment from Mission 08:39 Sponsor: IEN 2026 Annual Forum 09:11 The Mathematical Roots of Zero-Sum vs. Positive-Sum Thinking 13:36 Milton Friedman and Why Nations Fail: Rethinking Economic Orthodoxy 23:07 The $50 Trillion Cost of Zero-Sum Thinking, Explained 26:32 Worker Engagement, Culture, and the KKR Proof Point 28:47 Inside Ford Foundation's Mission-Related Investing Portfolio 41:37 Who Needs to Lead the Shift to Positive-Sum Capital 52:27 Roy's Vision for the Future of Finance

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  Episode #76

  3 Systemic Stewardship Levers Every Institutional Investor Needs | Caroline Escott

  Jul 15, 202651 min

  In this episode, Georges Dyer is joined by Caroline Escott, Head of Investment Stewardship and Co-Head of Sustainable Ownership at Railpen, the in-house manager for the UK Railways pension schemes overseeing £34 billion on behalf of over 350,000 members. Together they walk through Railpen's December 2025 case study “Systemic Stewardship: The Financially Material Imperative” produced with the Investment Integration Project (TIIP) and Sinclair Capital, distilling five years of live implementation into a framework any asset owner can learn from. What you'll learn: How to deploy company engagement, policy influence, and collaborative initiatives as distinct levers and when each one is the right tool for the job How to identify "systemically important" companies in your portfolio whose governance decisions create ripple effects across entire sectors How to adapt your stewardship approach when the regulatory and political environment shifts without abandoning your financial materiality goals Where to start if you're a smaller or mid-sized asset owner without Railpen's internal resources or scale For CIOs, trustees, and investment teams thinking about how to move from ESG integration to genuine market influence, this episode delivers a concrete, evidence-based framework built over five years of live implementation. Resources mentioned: 📄 Systemic Stewardship: The Financially Material Imperative - Railpen, TIIP & Sinclair Capital (December 2025): https://www.railpen.com/insights/reports/systemic-stewardship-the-financially-material-imperative/ 🌐 Investment Integration Project (TIIP): https://www.tiiproject.com 🌐 Sinclair Capital: https://www.sinclaircapital.com/ 🎙️ Business Pants Podcast - https://open.spotify.com/show/2q1oewA1uEEmTjwKZfDJnp 📋 Railpen Annual Stewardship Reports: https://www.railpen.com General Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction & US SIF Forum 2026 02:10 Why Every Large Investor Should Think Like a Universal Owner 06:45 The TIIP Case Study — Grounding the 3 Levers in Fiduciary Duty 12:00 Lever 1: How to Use Company Engagement for System-Wide Change 20:30 Lever 2: Why Policy Engagement Is Often More Efficient Than Company Engagement 29:15 Lever 3: How to Build Collaborative Initiatives That Actually Work 38:40 How to Adapt Your Levers When the Regulatory Environment Shifts 44:50 How Smaller Asset Owners Can Apply All 3 Levers Without Railpen's Scale 50:20 What Happens When Asset Owners Use Their Collective Sway – The Future of Finance podcast is produced by the Intentional Endowments Network. New episodes explore how institutional capital can be deployed to build more resilient, prosperous, and sustainable financial systems. – *Disclaimer* The information presented in this episode reflects the views and opinions of the guest and does not constitute investment, legal, or regulatory advice. The Intentional Endowments Network does not endorse any specific products, services, or organizations referenced herein.

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