
The HotStart VC Podcast
How These Twin Creators Turned 450K Followers Into an AI Startup Fighting Loneliness
Fabian and Julius Cowdrey are twin brothers, creator entrepreneurs with a combined following of over 450,000, and the co-founders of Joyna, an AI platform that matches users to the best events and experiences in their city in under 60 seconds based on deeply personalized recommendations. It started with a group coaching company. Four years ago, Fabian and Julius were running small groups for people who couldn't afford one-to-one therapy or coaching, scaling to 10 groups of 10 and serving 100 people a month. But they hit a wall. People kept asking for more groups and they were exhausted. So they built infrastructure to scale their support, first through a wellness creator platform, then through Joyna, an AI that learns about you and connects you to like-minded people through shared real-life experiences. What makes Joyna different from every other event platform is that it lives entirely on WhatsApp. Instead of forcing users to download yet another app, you simply text Joyna what you're looking for, it asks a few clarifying questions, and within 60 seconds it sends three personalized recommendations based on where you live, what you like, and what you've done before. It builds short-term and long-term memory so it gets better the more you use it. The timing couldn't be better. Loneliness is up 35 to 40 percent year over year. Companies like Time Left, which connects strangers for dinner, are now operating in over 200 cities in just two and a half years. People are desperate for connection. Joyna makes it effortless to find things to do and people to meet, whether you are new to a city, looking for a date spot, or just bored on a Tuesday night. Fabian and Julius break down why they chose to build a tech company instead of launching a CPG brand, how Julius gained 19 waitlist signups in one hour by going live on TikTok, and why being a good human with a solid network matters more than having a massive following when building a company. They explain: Why Julius started creating content around music and reality TV before pivoting to viral street interviews How Fabian built his following from 39,000 to nearly 240,000 in three months by posting four times a day Why they built Joyna on WhatsApp instead of forcing users to download another app How Joyna uses conversational AI to learn about you and match you to events that suit your interests, location, and preferences Why loneliness is up 35 to 40 percent year over year and how Joyna is making it effortless to fix that Their number one advice for creators: post for the person who needs to find you, not for your existing followers Chapters: Chapters 00:00:00 Introduction: From Content Creators to Building Joiner 00:00:53 The Content Creation Origin: From Music Covers to Reality TV 00:01:54 Building a Following: From Professional Cricket to 200K Followers in 3 Months 00:03:47 The Creator Advantage: Leveraging Personal Brand as an Unfair Advantage 00:05:43 What is Joyna: WhatsApp AI That Matches You to Events in Seconds 00:08:45 The Loneliness Crisis: Why People Are Desperate for Real Connection 00:12:29 How Joynar Works: Personalized AI Matching with Short and Long-Term Memory 00:14:44 The Marketplace Model: Affiliate Partnerships and Independent Hosts 00:15:55 Balancing Founder and Creator: The Time Management Challenge 00:20:34 The Celebrity and Creator Brand Trend: Why Tech Over CPG 00:24:18 Mission-Driven vs Money-Driven: Building Beyond the Exit 00:26:48 What's Next for Joyna: Building the Playbook Before Scaling 00:28:17 Advice for Creator Founders: Focus on Your Niche and Be Kind HotStart VC Subscribe to The Fame Game newsletter: https://hotstart.beehiiv.com/ Become a HotStart Angel and co-invest with us in celebrity-founded brands starting from $5,000: https://www.hotstart.vc/hotstart-angels/ Check out our fund: https://www.hotstart.vc/ Scott van den Berg LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-van-den-berg-22b534150/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/scottvandenberg_/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@scottvandenberg_ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@scottvandenbergvc Fabian and Julius Cowdrey Joyna: https://joyna.ai/ Julius Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jlcowdrey/ Fabian Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coachcowdrey/ HotStart is the go-to platform for celebrities and creators launching brands, providing capital, strategic support, and the infrastructure to scale.

