The Hurdle Rate Podcast

Join Matt, Ben, Jeff, and Tim for an entertaining and informative weekly podcast cutting through conventional wisdom on Bitcoin, investing, and macroeconomics. Every Wednesday, this forward-thinking team delivers unique perspectives and innovative insights that challenge mainstream financial narratives, empowering listeners to make more independent decisions for their corporate or personal financial lives. Is Bitcoin your hurdle rate?New episodes every Wednesday!

The Hurdle Rate Podcast is a business podcast hosted by thehurdleratepod, with 69 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

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  Episode #70

  Digital Credit Is The Product | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 70

  Aug 18, 202655 min

  In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew reacts to Strategy’s latest investor Q&A and breaks down why the company is prioritizing STRC, building cash reserves, and treating Bitcoin as flexible capital. We dig into why Bitcoin has held firm despite Strategy selling, the Coldcard self-custody exploit, and broader market stress, and what that resilience could signal about the bear market. The conversation then turns to NVIDIA’s massive structured-finance deal, how the company is lending its balance sheet and creditworthiness to accelerate OpenAI’s infrastructure buildout, and what it reveals about the growing convergence of AI, credit, and capital markets. We close with OranjeBTC’s DIGY11 ETF and the expansion of Bitcoin-backed digital credit into Brazil. Here's the latest with Tim Kotzman, Matt Cole, Joe Burnett, and Ben Werkman. 0:00 - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate 2:26 - Strategy Q&A: Bitcoin and Digital Credit 11:27 - Bitcoin Treasury Companies Face a Stress Test 13:15 - Is Michael Saylor Buying High and Selling Low? 17:00 - MSCI and Bitcoin Treasury Companies 20:08 - Understanding Amplified Bitcoin Volatility 30:45 - The Macro Backdrop and Bitcoin’s Next Move 35:44 - NVIDIA’s Massive OpenAI Financing Deal 53:11 - OranjeBTC’s DIGY11 ETF Follow us on X: https://x.com/HurdleRatePod All episodes now live: https://tnorth.com/shows/hurdle-rate/ True North does not intend for anything herein to be considered an offer or sale of any securities, including those of Strive. True North encourages listeners to consult with their tax and investment advisors. Additional information on any securities or issuers referenced herein can be found in such issuers’ filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”), including any registration statements, prospectuses and prospectus supplements for each issuers’ securities. Listeners should read such documents and other documents incorporated by reference therein or that such issuer has filed with the SEC for more complete information. You may get these documents for free by visiting EDGAR on the SEC website at [ http://www.sec.gov ).* Any securities referred to herein, including those of True North’s parent Strive, are not collateralized by underlying bitcoin holdings and may be subordinated to senior claims. There are no guarantee of returns liquidity or future performance. The securities referred to herein are neither bank deposits, nor FDIC insured, nor regulated in the same way, and do not have the same regulatory and other protections as bank accounts, money market funds, treasuries, or similar investments and as a result may not be comparable investments. Current trading prices and effective yields may vary, current rates are not indicative of future rates, and in some cases rates are subject to frequent adjustments and may be significantly lower than discussed herein. Cash dividends are not guaranteed. In some cases, dividends have not been paid and may not be paid in the future. Ownership of securities referred to in herein does not confer ownership in the underlying assets, including bitcoin.

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  Episode #69

  What's New With Strive? | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 69

  Aug 10, 202651 min

  In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down Strive’s Q2 results, including a 23.9% Bitcoin yield and how the company’s incentive structure supports its broader Bitcoin treasury strategy. We then turn to Strive’s refreshed website and redesigned Bitcoin Dashboard, exploring how the new tools improve transparency, make key treasury metrics easier to understand, and give investors a clearer view of the company’s performance. Here's the latest with Matt Cole, Jeff Walton, Ben Werkman, and Joe Burnett. Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate 00:47 Strive’s Q2 Results 05:52 The Redesigned Strive Website 10:56 Treasury Dashboard Walkthrough 50:11 Closing Thoughts True North does not intend for anything herein to be considered an offer or sale of any securities, including those of Strive. True North encourages listeners to consult with their tax and investment advisors. Additional information on any securities or issuers referenced herein can be found in such issuers’ filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”), including any registration statements, prospectuses and prospectus supplements for each issuers’ securities. Listeners should read such documents and other documents incorporated by reference therein or that such issuer has filed with the SEC for more complete information. You may get these documents for free by visiting EDGAR on the SEC website at [ http://www.sec.gov ).* Any securities referred to herein, including those of True North’s parent Strive, are not collateralized by underlying bitcoin holdings and may be subordinated to senior claims. There are no guarantee of returns liquidity or future performance. The securities referred to herein are neither bank deposits, nor FDIC insured, nor regulated in the same way, and do not have the same regulatory and other protections as bank accounts, money market funds, treasuries, or similar investments and as a result may not be comparable investments. Current trading prices and effective yields may vary, current rates are not indicative of future rates, and in some cases rates are subject to frequent adjustments and may be significantly lower than discussed herein. Cash dividends are not guaranteed. In some cases, dividends have not been paid and may not be paid in the future. Ownership of securities referred to in herein does not confer ownership in the underlying assets, including bitcoin.

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  Episode #68

  Look For The Helpers | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 68

  Aug 4, 202648 min

  In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down the Coldcard self custody exploit and how the Bitcoin community responded to it, before turning to what the event revealed about how few people understood the cryptography they were relying on. We dig into the yen hitting its weakest level in forty years and what a fragile treasury market means for everyone holding dollars, Strategy's decision to sell Bitcoin and build a cash reserve, and the game theory behind buybacks. We close with a deeper look at the traditional capital that is starting to fill gaps this market used to fill on its own. Here's the latest with Tim Kotzman, Matt Cole, Jeff Walton, and Ben Werkman. Timestamps 00:00 - Welcome To The Hurdle Rate 02:03 - The Weekend That Tested Self Custody 03:34 - Look For The Helpers 07:48 - Why A White Hat Could Not Have Saved This 13:11 - A Humbling Event For The Whole Market 17:09 - What People Did Not Understand About Cryptography 20:58 - Bitcoin Recovers From The Drop 23:24 - The Yen At Forty Year Lows 28:38 - Who Actually Buys Treasuries Now 33:48 - Fragile Markets And What Props Them Up 36:42 - Strategy Sells Bitcoin And Builds Reserves 41:33 - The Game Theory Of Buybacks 42:37 - Traditional Capital Fills The Gap 46:38 - What The Clarity Act Would Open Up Follow us on X: https://x.com/HurdleRatePod All episodes now live: https://tnorth.com/shows/hurdle-rate/

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  Episode #67

  We’re Playing For Trillions | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 67

  Jul 31, 202645 min

  Episode 67: We’re Playing For Trillions In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down Strategy’s Q2 2026 earnings call and its focus on returning STRC to par while building a trillion-dollar digital credit market. We explore why liquidity, simplicity, and preserving Bitcoin’s upside remain central to the strategy, along with the risks of borrowing against Bitcoin or using derivatives for short-term cash flow. Matt and Ben share lessons from meeting investors in Hong Kong, while Jeff explains how Strive is working to differentiate itself within the insurance industry. We close with a discussion on bringing Bitcoin to traditional institutions and the Federal Reserve’s shift away from heavy forward guidance. Here’s the latest with Tim Kotzman, Matt Cole, Jeff Walton, and Ben Werkman. Timestamps: 00:00 - Welcome to The Hurdle Rate 01:30 - Why Digital Credit Is a Trillion-Dollar Opportunity 03:00 - Consolidating Liquidity Around STRC 07:30 - Building an Ecosystem Around Digital Credit 10:30 - Reading the Market and Maintaining the 12% Dividend 13:30 - STRC, Short Interest, and Minimizing Volatility 16:30 - The Risks of Borrowing and Derivative Strategies 22:30 - MSTR’s Long-Term Leverage and Holding Period 24:00 - Bringing Digital Credit to Hong Kong Investors 30:00 - Why Strive Rejects the “DAT” Label 33:00 - Strive’s Balance Sheet Growth Despite Bitcoin’s Decline 34:30 - Bringing Bitcoin to Wall Street 42:00 - Fed Policy and Kevin Warsh’s Communication Strategy 45:00 - Closing Thoughts Follow us on X: https://x.com/HurdleRatePod All episodes now live: https://tnorth.com/shows/hurdle-rate/ Disclaimer: The content in this video is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be considered financial advice. We are not financial advisors, and you should consult with a qualified professional before making any financial decisions. All investments involve risks, and you are responsible for your own decisions. True North does not intend for anything herein to be considered an offer or sale of any securities, including those of Strive. True North encourages listeners to consult with their tax and investment advisors. Additional information on any securities or issuers referenced herein can be found in such issuers’ filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”), including any registration statements, prospectuses and prospectus supplements for each issuers’ securities. Listeners should read such documents and other documents incorporated by reference therein or that such issuer has filed with the SEC for more complete information. You may get these documents for free by visiting EDGAR on the SEC website at [ www.sec.gov](http://www.sec.gov).* Any securities referred to herein, including those of True North’s parent Strive, are not collateralized by underlying bitcoin holdings and may be subordinated to senior claims. There are no guarantee of returns liquidity or future performance. The securities referred to herein are neither bank deposits, nor FDIC insured, nor regulated in the same way, and do not have the same regulatory and other protections as bank accounts, money market funds, treasuries, or similar investments and as a result may not be comparable investments. Current trading prices and effective yields may vary, current rates are not indicative of future rates, and in some cases rates are subject to frequent adjustments and may be significantly lower than discussed herein. Cash dividends are not guaranteed. In some cases, dividends have not been paid and may not be paid in the future. Ownership of securities referred to in herein does not confer ownership in the underlying assets, including bitcoin.

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  Episode #66

  Episode 66: Social Investing

  Jul 21, 202659 min

  In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down the slow summer market and strategy's focus on building up its balance sheet to improve credit quality. We explore how Strategy and Strive are navigating macro uncertainty, steadying operations, and executing consistent Bitcoin buys through the summer doldrums. We also dig into the derivatives market, short interest dynamics for ASST and SATA, and how lending out shares ultimately impacts corporate dividend payments and tax treatment. We close with a broader discussion on structured finance, the emergence of AI agents in retail investing, and the long-term potential of building durable digital credit structures to onboard massive institutional capital into the Bitcoin era. Here’s the latest with Tim Kotzman, Matt Cole, Jeff Walton, and Ben Werkman. Timestamps: 00:00 – Welcome Back to the Hurdle Rate 11:09 – Trading Volumes: MSTR vs. IBIT 12:33 – Analysis of Short Interest & Derivatives Markets 16:04 – Tax Treatments for Lending Shares & Manufactured Dividends 20:10 – Short Squeezes & Conserved Energy in Equities 28:49 – Robinhood Retail AI Trading Agents 30:00 – Deconstructing Chamath’s Crypto Tweet 31:59 – Unlocking Institutional & Corporate Demand for Bitcoin 32:52 – Private Credit Markets, Structured Finance & Insurers 51:50 – Step Function Improvements in Leverage Solutions 56:28 – Battle Testing Management Teams & Risk-First Approaches Follow us on X: https://x.com/HurdleRatePod All episodes now live: https://tnorth.com/shows/hurdle-rate/ Disclaimer: The content in this video is for informational and educational purposes only and should not be considered financial advice. We are not financial advisors, and you should consult with a qualified professional before making any financial decisions. All investments involve risks, and you are responsible for your own decisions. True North does not intend for anything herein to be considered an offer or sale of any securities, including those of Strive. True North encourages listeners to consult with their tax and investment advisors. Additional information on any securities or issuers referenced herein can be found in such issuers’ filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”), including any registration statements, prospectuses and prospectus supplements for each issuers’ securities. Listeners should read such documents and other documents incorporated by reference therein or that such issuer has filed with the SEC for more complete information. You may get these documents for free by visiting EDGAR on the SEC website at [www.sec.gov](http://www.sec.gov).* Any securities referred to herein, including those of True North’s parent Strive, are not collateralized by underlying bitcoin holdings and may be subordinated to senior claims. There are no guarantee of returns liquidity or future performance. The securities referred to herein are neither bank deposits, nor FDIC insured, nor regulated in the same way, and do not have the same regulatory and other protections as bank accounts, money market funds, treasuries, or similar investments and as a result may not be comparable investments. Current trading prices and effective yields may vary, current rates are not indicative of future rates, and in some cases rates are subject to frequent adjustments and may be significantly lower than discussed herein. Cash dividends are not guaranteed. In some cases, dividends have not been paid and may not be paid in the future. Ownership of securities referred to in herein does not confer ownership in the underlying assets, including bitcoin.

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