The Intentional Owner

The Intentional Owner provides an in-depth & personal look at life as a small business owner. We discuss how to acquire, operate, and grow small businesses in ways that achieve positive impacts for yourself, for your family, for your employees, and for your community. We love everything to do with small business acquisitions & entrepreneurship and want to support our fellow small business owners in having a fulfilling life.

The Intentional Owner is a business podcast hosted by Kaustubh Deo & Sam Rosati, with 46 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

Kaustubh Deo & Sam Rosati hosts The Intentional Owner, a business show with 46 episodes published.

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  The Intentional Owner

  The Trap Size Business: Why $2-5 Million Revenue Is the Hardest Stage

  Aug 20, 202654 min

  Sam Rosati and Kaustubh Deo explore a question many small business owners face but rarely discuss: what size business should you actually build toward? The conversation examines the trade-offs between revenue growth, quality of life, and the evolving skill sets required at each stage of scale. Rather than assuming bigger is always better, they map out the distinct lifestyle and operational realities of running businesses at different revenue thresholds—from under $2 million to national multi-location operations. They discuss: - Why the $2–5 million revenue range often becomes a "trap size" where complexity outpaces profitability and the owner gets stuck in both visionary and integrator roles - How buying a sub-$1 million business with minimal debt can yield $300–400K in annual owner earnings without the stress of scaling beyond local operations - The specific operational and leadership transitions required to move from a single-location operator to a regional or national player, and why those transitions don't suit every owner's strengths or interests - How debt structure and investor expectations fundamentally change what end state is realistic or desirable for a given acquisition This episode, from The Intentional Owner, offers a framework for operators thinking honestly about where growth creates value and where it simply creates work. (00:00:00) - Intro (00:01:38) - Tampa meetup and fitness bet payoff (00:04:16) - Small business owner attention to detail (00:04:51) - The frame shop mistake story (00:08:23) - How kindness works with small businesses (00:13:51) - Managing priorities as a small business owner (00:16:55) - Setting business size goals (00:19:51) - The small local operator path (00:22:56) - The trap size business dilemma (00:27:16) - From revenue producer to manager (00:30:30) - Getting out of trap size (00:33:17) - The small business path without debt (00:35:15) - Buying under one million in revenue (00:36:00) - Two to five million as an end goal (00:38:05) - Inflation and the changing trap size (00:40:18) - Growing from five to fifteen million (00:44:30) - PSG's geographic expansion strategy (00:48:42) - Staying regional versus going national (00:52:13) - Final thoughts on growth paths Speaker Profiles:   Sam Rosati     LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-rosati-68787a8/     Twitter / X — https://x.com/Sam_Rosati     Website — https://www.samrosatismb.com/   Kaustubh Deo     LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaustubh-deo/     Twitter / X — https://x.com/guessworkinvest     Substack - https://bigdealsmallbusiness.substack.com/ Sponsors:   Bay Business Group — https://bay-biz.com/

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  The Intentional Owner

  Why Operator Skills Matter More Than Deal Quality in Small Business Acquisition - Adam Markley

  Aug 6, 202653 min

  Sam Rosati, Kaustubh Deo, and Adam Markley explore the realities of small business ownership through the lens of investor pattern recognition on The Intentional Owner. Markley, who has spent a decade navigating the ETA ecosystem as a searcher, operator, and now investor, brings perspective from both sides of the transaction. The conversation challenges conventional wisdom about dealmaking and operator success, emphasizing that execution after closing determines outcomes far more than deal structure alone. While economic alignment matters, small businesses remain fundamentally owner-dependent, making operator capability the critical variable in creating value. They discuss: - Why strong communication during search signals future operational performance with customers and employees - How seller financing and proper capitalization from the start change trajectory for first-time owners - The difference between playing business and actually executing sales, employee retention, and revenue growth - Why going bigger with less ownership can compound better than owning more of a smaller, undercapitalized business - How irrational optimism gets people into deals but realistic expectation-setting determines who survives the first few years This episode offers practical insight for anyone evaluating the gap between acquiring a business and successfully operating one over the long term. Topics: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:03:22) - Adam Markley's ETA journey (00:07:09) - UK acquisition dynamics and tax arbitrage (00:09:28) - Lessons from buying and operating businesses (00:10:32) - Operator fit versus deal quality (00:13:19) - Why operators matter more in small business (00:14:35) - Economic alignment in self-funded search (00:20:34) - Investor case studies from 2024 (00:31:35) - Assessing operator quality and playbook depth (00:35:20) - Post-close expectations and communication (00:41:16) - Sales skills as a red flag indicator (00:45:21) - Rapid fire: advice and resources (00:47:19) - What Adam would do differently Show Platforms:   YouTube — https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnQQ0EBtTcZmNieNf0trvDw   Apple Podcasts — https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intentional-owner/id1797346741?uo=4   Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/0H5n91PR3c9RqyNAbh1AH9 Speaker Profiles:   Sam Rosati     LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-rosati-68787a8/     Twitter / X — https://twitter.com/Sam_Rosati     Website — https://www.samrosatismb.com/   Kaustubh Deo     LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaustubh-deo/     Twitter / X — https://x.com/kaustdeo   Adam Markley     LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/adammarkley/     Twitter / X — https://x.com/adammarkleysmb Companies:   NewCo Risk — https://www.newcorisk.com/   Bay Business Group — https://bay-biz.com/

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  The Intentional Owner

  Capital Allocation for Small Business Owners: Debt, Reinvestment, and Liquidity

  Jul 23, 202650 min

  Sam Rosati and Kaustubh Deo tackle capital allocation for small business owners on The Intentional Owner. The conversation examines four primary options for deploying excess cash: reinvesting in the business, repaying debt, returning capital to investors, and maintaining liquidity. Sam and Kaustubh explore the psychological pressure many owners feel to rapidly pay down SBA loans, the actual cost-benefit of debt reduction versus cash reserves, and why liquidity often trumps marginal return advantages in the early years of ownership. They discuss: - Why paying down term debt early can backfire without loan reamortization - The real return delta between holding cash and eliminating debt or preferred equity - How reinvestment often means absorbing P&L burn rather than big capital expenditures - Whether buying operating real estate makes sense for small business owners This episode offers a practical framework for owners managing the tension between financial optimization and operational resilience. Topics: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:01:51) - Catching up and summer doldrums (00:04:56) - Capital allocation for small business owners (00:05:34) - The four buckets of capital allocation (00:06:52) - Why you should prioritize liquidity first (00:08:37) - Paying down debt vs holding cash (00:10:12) - Understanding loan reamortization (00:14:02) - Setting a liquidity waterfall (00:15:55) - Returning capital to investors (00:17:58) - Reinvesting in the business (00:18:09) - What reinvestment actually looks like (00:20:31) - The renter mindset for equipment (00:22:52) - Real estate as the fifth bucket (00:23:46) - Why most shouldn't buy real estate day one (00:26:07) - Running the real estate purchase math (00:32:53) - Long-term ownership and real estate value (00:36:08) - Blending SBA loans with real estate (00:37:55) - Investor expectations and tax distributions (00:39:02) - Setting capital allocation expectations pre-close (00:47:48) - Due diligence warning on real estate costs Speaker Profiles:   Sam Rosati     LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-rosati-68787a8/     Twitter / X — https://x.com/Sam_Rosati     Website — https://www.samrosatismb.com/   Kaustubh Deo     LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaustubh-deo/     Twitter / X — https://x.com/guessworkinvest     Substack - https://bigdealsmallbusiness.substack.com/  Jacob Hall     Kando Capital - https://www.kandocapital.com/     LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacobhall01/ Sponsors:   NewCo Risk — https://newcorisk.com   Bay Business Group — https://bay-biz.com/

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  The Intentional Owner

  Alternatives to Traditional Acquisition: Franchises, Starting Small, and Owner-Operator Realities

  Jul 9, 202655 min

  Sam Rosati and Kaustubh Deo explore practical alternatives to traditional entrepreneurship through acquisition on The Intentional Owner. The conversation examines how small business ownership provides agency and flexibility that corporate careers rarely offer, especially as professionals enter their 30s and 40s and face competing life priorities. Rosati and Deo discuss buying very small businesses, the realities of work-life balance as an owner, and the mindset required to turn a fragile job into a sustainable enterprise. They discuss: - Why buying a business under $200,000 in earnings requires entrepreneurial vision to impose on a small operation - How agency over time differs from reduced stress in ownership, especially when personal guarantees are involved - The four models of franchise ownership and whether franchising offers comparable independence to self-funded search - Why married couples may be better positioned to buy and grow micro businesses together - How to evaluate franchise unit economics and territory strategies for building regional dominance This episode offers a clear-eyed look at path options for aspiring business owners who face competitive deal markets or seek models that fit specific lifestyle goals. (00:00:00) - Intro(00:02:50) - Foster care and work flexibility(00:03:35) - Finance career constraints versus ownership(00:06:45) - Mid-career reckoning and ETA's appeal(00:11:12) - Effort versus stress in ownership(00:12:32) - Building resilience as risks evolve(00:14:33) - Playing the long game(00:15:33) - Alternatives to traditional ETA(00:19:20) - Buying small as an entry strategy(00:19:50) - Starting a business in your domain(00:24:37) - Buying micro businesses as add-ons(00:27:18) - Married couples as business partners(00:31:10) - Imposing vision on small businesses(00:34:30) - Franchising as an ETA alternative(00:35:34) - Four franchise ownership models(00:38:20) - Franchise startup costs and financing(00:40:11) - Non-food service franchise opportunities(00:40:31) - Evaluating royalty fees and brand value(00:42:15) - Franchisor expectations and exit paths(00:46:56) - Unit economics and franchise selection(00:53:20) - Closing thoughts and sponsor messagesSpeaker Profiles:   Sam Rosati     LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-rosati-68787a8/     Twitter / X — https://x.com/Sam_Rosati     Website — https://www.samrosatismb.com/   Kaustubh Deo     LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaustubh-deo/     Twitter / X — https://x.com/guessworkinvest     Substack - https://bigdealsmallbusiness.substack.com/ Sponsors:   NewCo Risk — https://newcorisk.com   Bay Business Group — https://bay-biz.com/

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  Capital Efficiency & Getting to Scale: The Real Cost of Starting From Scratch

  Jun 11, 20261h 3m

  Sam Rosati and Kaustubh Deo explore when it makes sense to start a business rather than acquire one on The Intentional Owner. The conversation stems from a listener question about the rising difficulty of self-funded search deals, higher multiples for even small businesses, and whether starting from scratch might be a better path forward. They examine the economics of buying a single-crew service business versus building one, the fragility inherent in very small operations, and the underappreciated challenges of replacing an owner who serves as both technician and manager. They discuss: - Why the payback period on small acquisitions often exceeds the multiple paid plus a year - How margins degrade when transitioning from owner-operated SDE to a true EBITDA business - The case for working in a trade before starting versus relying on sales and marketing skills alone - Whether the rise of solo entrepreneurship enabled by digital tools shifts the calculus away from traditional search This episode offers a practical framework for aspiring owners evaluating whether to buy an existing business or build something new in an increasingly competitive acquisition market. Topics: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:06:00) - The start versus buy debate for small businesses (00:10:30) - Personal objectives drive the decision (00:15:30) - Comparing single-crew acquisition costs (00:18:30) - The debt payoff timeline versus startup growth (00:19:30) - The margin degradation of growth (00:20:46) - Breaking even in year one of a startup (00:23:27) - Buying bigger versus smaller (00:37:00) - The fragility of very small businesses (00:47:00) - The solopreneur alternative (00:49:00) - Agency versus financial independence (00:55:20) - Book recommendations and wrap-up Sam Rosati LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-rosati-68787a8/ Twitter / X — https://x.com/Sam_Rosati Website — https://www.samrosatismb.com/ Kaustubh Deo LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaustubh-deo/ Twitter / X — https://x.com/guessworkinvest Sponsors: NewCo Risk — https://newcorisk.com Bay Business Group — https://bay-biz.com/

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