
The Learner-Centered Collaborative Podcast
Episode 53: Redesigning High School Through Trust, Voice, and Opportunity (with Fred Hilgers)
In this episode, Dr. Katie Martin talks with Fred Hilgers, principal of Madison High School in San Diego, about what it means to lead with deep listening, trust, and a commitment to continuous learning. Drawing from more than three decades in education, Fred shares the experiences that shaped his approach to leadership and his belief that meaningful change starts by listening to students, educators, and families. Together, Katie and Fred explore how schools can create cultures of collaboration, elevate student voice, and redesign learning experiences to better prepare young people for an increasingly complex world. Their conversation highlights the power of relationships, educator agency, and the courage to rethink long-standing systems in service of every learner.






