
Episode #12
Referral Partners and the New Rules of Marketing (with Michael Stearns)
What if your best referral partner isn't a past customer at all, but your pool guy? That's one of the plays Michael Stearns of Ascend brings to Pete in this episode. Michael runs a marketing agency built around custom websites, SEO/AEO/GEO, and Google Ads for roofers. He doesn't sugarcoat where most contractors go wrong: chasing lead volume instead of understanding what it actually costs to land a customer. Michael breaks down the difference between "tag team trades" (HVAC, plumbing, landscapers) and "power partners" (real estate agents, property managers, insurance agents) — and why the second group can feed you leads before a homeowner even knows they need a roof. He also gets into how AI search is changing what "ranking on page one" even means, and why the roofers showing up in ChatGPT results are the ones getting cited as trusted sources, not just optimizing for keywords. In this episode: Why cost per acquired customer matters more than raw lead count Tag team trades vs. power partners — the referral network most roofers ignore Using real estate agents and property managers as a built-in lead source How to actually show up when homeowners search on ChatGPT, not just Google A simple system for batching a month of social content in 90 minutes Where the roofing industry is headed after a slow start to the season






