
Episode #15
How to Be Spiritual AND Successful in Business | Tami Simon
What does someone who has spent 40 years publishing the worldβs leading spiritual teachers know about success? Sounds True founder Tami Simon shares what she has learned about leadership, money, purpose and creating a values-driven business. The Spirit Collective Podcast host Ariane de Bonvoisin and Tami explore how to build genuine trust at work, why Tami asks leadership teams βWhatβs under the table?β, what colleagues taught her about her own blind spots, how to make difficult business decisions without abandoning your values, and why financial security can actually help us give more. Tami reflects on stepping away from the CEO identity she held for four decades and the deeper lesson she has taken from a lifetime spent in conversation with spiritual teachers: a growth in love and trust. What We Cover: 00:00 Preview: Tami Simon on Spiritual Wisdom & Success 01:21 Tami Simon: Four Decades of Spiritual Wisdom 02:39 Leaving College for a 10-Day Vipassana Retreat 07:20 Belonging, the Body & Fully Incarnating 09:34 Stop Waiting for the Whole Roadmap 10:47 The βBloodhoundβ Test for Knowing What You Want 12:35 What Brings You Outrageous Joy? 15:25 Who Are You Without Your Company? 19:36 Learning to Trust the In-Between 21:57 The Support Youβre Already Receiving 25:08 Where Are We Spiritually Right Now? 28:24 How 40 Years of Spiritual Work Changed Tami 32:55 Why No Teacher Can Give You the Recipe 36:25 Getting Out of Your Head and Into Your Body 38:25 Male vs. Female Spiritual Teachers 39:37 How Tami Knows When a Teacher Is the Real Thing 41:37 βWhen I Met My Wifeβ¦β 44:45 Can Spirituality and Business Coexist? 48:44 Work as an Enlightenment Engine 52:08 How to Get Your Team to Say the Unsayable 55:28 Values, Downsizing & Difficult Business Decisions 58:28 Is Wanting Money Unspiritual? 1:00:30 Tamiβs Prayer for Flourishing 1:03:13 Is Earth a School? 1:06:41 Love, Trust & the Mystery of Life About Tami Simon She is the founder and publisher of Sounds True, a multimedia company she started at age 22 with a dream and a tape recorder. Over its 41-year history, Sounds True has produced over 6,000 titles and become North America's leading publisher of spoken-word spiritual teachings. Tami hosts the long-running podcast Insights at the Edge, which has surpassed 20 million downloads, and founded the Sounds True Foundation, dedicated to making spiritual education accessible to all. She lives in Boulder, Colorado, and British Columbia with her wife, Julie Kramer, and their two spoodles, Raspberry and Bula. Connect With Tami Insights at the Edge Podcast https://www.soundstrue.com/a/resources/podcast/ Sounds True One - Sounds True's membership community https://join.soundstrue.com/free-month-trial-membership/ New Online Courses - including Wild World, Steady Mind with Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche launching in early October https://www.soundstrue.com/collections/online-courses/ Resources S.N. Goenka , teacher 10-day silent Vipassana meditation retreat Pema ChΓΆdrΓΆn , Buddhist teacher & author Robert Thurman , Buddhist philosopher & writer The Tibetan Book of the Dead Firms of Endearment: How World-Class Companies Profit from Passion and Purpose , David B Wolfe, Jagdish Sheth, Rajendra Sisodia Conscious Business: How to Build Value Through Values , Fred Kofman Inner MBA , Sounds True Caroline Myss & Spiritual Home Base program with Sounds True About Ariane de Bonvoisin She is the founder of The Spirit Collective, a podcast at the intersection of success and spirituality. A former media and venture capital executive, she left the corporate world to integrate her own external success and inner path β and now interviews remarkable people from business, finance, sport, music, and beyond about a side of their lives they rarely discuss: their spiritual path. Honest conversations about spirituality, purpose, and personal growth, with people you wouldn't expect. New episodes weekly. If this episode moved you, share it with someone who needs to hear it. Subscribe for weekly conversations at the intersection of success and spirit. FAQs How do you know what your next step in life should be? Tami Simon believes most people already receive some guidance about their next step, even when they cannot see the whole path. Rather than waiting for certainty, she suggests noticing the people, ideas and possibilities you feel drawn toward and asking whether you have the courage to act on what you are already hearing. What is embodied awareness? For Tami Simon, embodied awareness means locating your center of experience somewhere beyond the narrating voice in your head. She describes βembodied immediacyβ as tracking sensations arising inside the body while talking, reading, walking and making decisions, rather than reserving embodiment for practices such as yoga or qigong. How do you find purpose when you don't know what you want? Tami suggests beginning with desire rather than trying to construct a complete life plan. She asks what you genuinely want, what inspires you and what makes you feel more alive, comparing the process to a bloodhound getting close to the ground and following a scent. How do you handle losing your identity after a career transition? After stepping down as CEO and selling part of Sounds True, Tami had to release an identity she describes as βTami Simon equals Sounds True.β She experienced grief before becoming excited about the next phase, and says the transition ultimately gave her a greater sense of being without needing an identity to define that being. How can you deal with uncertainty during a major life transition? Tami describes major transitions as βin-betweenβ spaces in which the old identity or life has ended before the next one is available. Her approach is to recognize the state rather than rush out of it, trust that she has navigated uncertainty before, and allow the next phase to emerge. Can spirituality and business work together? Tami does not see spirituality and business as opposing forces. At Sounds True, she describes a values-driven approach that considers the flourishing of customers, employees, vendors and even competitors, while still acknowledging that a sustainable business has to make money. Can work help you grow spiritually? Tami describes work as a powerful environment for personal development because colleagues see how you behave under pressure and can identify patterns you cannot see yourself. Feedback from her own team taught her that qualities that made her effective could also make her difficult to work with, forcing her to become more self-aware, listen more and make room for other people's contributions. Is wanting financial security incompatible with spirituality? Tami says financial security enables her to be more creative, take risks and give her gifts more fully. She describes giving and receiving as reciprocal rather than oppositional, and says that for people who bring βbig heartsβ to their work, receiving more can enable them to give more. How can leaders create more trust at work? Tami says leaders can set the depth of honesty by modeling it themselves. She describes sharing genuine personal difficulty during leadership-team check-ins and asking βwhat's under the table?β to surface subjects people may be afraid to discuss, even experimenting with a courageous-feedback award to encourage candor. How can a company handle layoffs without destroying trust? Tami argues that downsizing does not automatically have to destroy relationships. She emphasizes sharing business realities before a crisis, giving employees advance warning when possible, offering generous severance and treating the sadness created by job loss as legitimate rather than something leadership should dismiss. What has Tami Simon learned after decades of spiritual practice? Tami ultimately describes her own path as βa growth in love and trust.β Although decades of spiritual study exposed her to many perspectives, she says she is increasingly comfortable with mystery and with asking what feels true from the center of her own experience rather than needing a definitive explanation for life. Connect with Ariane: Visit spiritcollective.com Subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/@ariane-de-bonvoisin Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/4nRJrFU Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033oE4kP6X0ekQoU4Tkcpk Follow Ariane on Instagram: instagram.com/arianedebonvoisin Learn more about Ariane: https://arianedebonvoisin.com






