The Storytelling Lab

The Storytelling Lab covers everything you need to know about personal and professional stories to leverage their power to deepen your connections, increase your sales + donations, and serve your audiences better with real-life examples and experts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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  The Storytelling Lab

  Why the Stories We Dismiss Are Often the Ones We Need Most with Leslie Zemeckis and Sara Divello

  Aug 14, 202645 min

  "You do the story that you want to do because you believe in it and it will find an audience. You have to be passionate about something and not try and hop off what's already out there. You have to absolutely 1000% have a vision." — Leslie Zemeckis Not all stories are treated equally — and Leslie Zemeckis and Sara DiVello are on a mission to change that. In this episode, the co-hosts of the Plot Point podcast, founders of the Santa Barbara Literary Festival and Nantucket Book Festival respectively, and bestselling authors in their own right join Rain to break down why the stories we tend to dismiss — romance, thriller, true crime, comedy — are often doing the most important work of all. We talk about how comedy functions as a doorway to empathy, why chasing trends produces what Leslie calls Skittles books, and how to carry the story of a real person with the care and tenderness you would want someone to take with yours. Sara's research into the Great Migration and pioneering female journalists, and Leslie's documentary work shining a light on forgotten women in history, form the backdrop of a conversation about what it really means to give overlooked stories and overlooked storytellers their due. If you are writing your first book, finishing your tenth, or simply trying to figure out what story deserves your attention next, this episode is your reminder: write the thing that lights you up, don't wait for permission, and know that every finish line is just another starting line. In this episode, you will learn to: 1. Reject the arbitrary hierarchy that ranks some story genres as serious and others as disposable 2. Write the story that sustains you through the full marathon — not the one you think will sell 3. Research deeply and carry your subject's story with the care you would want for your own 4. Build a creative community instead of working in isolation — it will change your career 5. Stop waiting for someone to greenlight your story and go create it now Links & Resources Follow Leslie Zemeckis: Website → https://www.lesliezemeckis.com Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/lesliezemeckis Festival → Santa Barbara Literary Festival → https://www.santabarbaraliteraryfestival.org/ Follow Sara DiVello: Website → https://www.saradivello.com Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/saradivello Festival → Nantucket Book Festival → https://www.nantucketbookfestival.org Podcast → The Plot Point Podcast (with Leslie Zemeckis and Sara DiVello) Authors Referenced → Jeffrey Archer Authors Referenced → Walter Mosley Authors Referenced → Wally Lamb Authors Referenced → Stephen Rowley Authors Referenced → Ryan Coogler Authors Referenced → Ace Atkins Authors Referenced → Erica Robuck For more storytelling tips and strategies, visit: Website → https://rainbennett.com Podcast → https://thestorytellinglabpodcast.com Or follow along at: TikTok → https://www.tiktok.com/@chiefstorytellingofficer Twitter/X → https://twitter.com/rainbennett Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/rainbennett Facebook → https://www.facebook.com/thestorytellinglab YouTube → https://www.youtube.com/@RainBennett Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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  Episode #237

  The Complete Creator Framework Every Storyteller Needs with Anubhav Srivastava

  Jul 8, 202654 minS15

  "The best of the writers know structures are important. And then they forget that they've been intuitively following a structure and tell the world you don't need structure. The rest of the people think they don't need structure and realize by the hundredth page they don't know what the story is going to be." —Anubhav Srivastava What if there was one place where you could brainstorm your story, build your characters, map your world, storyboard your structure, and connect with expert storytellers who could help you take it further? That's exactly what Anubhav Srivastava set out to build. Four years, 17 chapters, and over 2,000 hours into writing his own fantasy fiction novel, Anubhav built VocaTales: a visual story crafting platform designed for planners, organizers, and creative thinkers who need more than a blank page. In this episode, Anubhav breaks down how VocaTales works, how it compares to tools like Scrivener and Miro, and why he built it exclusively for storytellers rather than corporate use cases. He also introduces UpTales, the companion platform where writers can connect with professional editors, writing coaches, and storytelling experts for short calls, long-term coaching, or workshopping their work. Together, VocaTales and UpTales form what Anubhav calls the Creator OS: a full flywheel from the first spark of an idea all the way to publication and beyond. We also dig into what Anubhav has learned from interviewing and collaborating with great storytellers, why structure is the most underrated tool any writer has, and why he believes AI should power your left brain tasks so your right brain can stay free to do what only humans can do. This one is equal parts product demo, storytelling masterclass, and a deeply personal conversation about dharma, self-discovery, and why the best products, like the best stories, are built for the creator first. In this episode, you will learn to: Use structure and story frameworks as a foundation for creativity rather than a constraint on it Understand the difference between VocaTales for building your story and UpTales for finding the right expert to help you grow it Start distributing your creative work from day one — not after the final draft is done Use AI for analytical and efficiency tasks while protecting your creative right-brain work from outsourcing Apply the promise, progress, payoff framework to hook readers from your very first line Links & Resources Follow Anubhav Srivastava Website → https://www.vocatales.com Platform → VocaTales (story crafting tool) → https://www.vocatales.com Platform → UpTales (expert storytelling community) → https://www.uptales.com LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/anubhavsrivastava Special Offer → Free premium access for TSL listeners → check show notes link at vocatales.com Books Referenced → The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho People Referenced → Brandon Sanderson People Referenced → J.R.R. Tolkien For more storytelling tips and strategies, visit: Website → https://rainbennett.com Podcast → https://thestorytellinglabpodcast.com Or follow along at: TikTok → https://www.tiktok.com/@chiefstorytellingofficer Twitter/X → https://twitter.com/rainbennett Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/rainbennett Facebook → https://www.facebook.com/thestorytellinglab YouTube → https://www.youtube.com/@RainBennett Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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  Episode #236

  How to Build Narrative Architecture Before AI Builds It for You with Michael Margolis

  Jun 18, 20261h 16mS15

  "A narrative lives or dies on the conviction of the most senior authorized leaders of the organizational system. The story is the strategy. A company without a story is usually a company without a strategy." — Michael Margolis | Storied, Inc. What if your organization's stories were the new code base? In this episode, Rain sits down with Michael Margolis, founder of Storied, Inc., and one of the most respected voices in organizational storytelling and narrative strategy, for a conversation that functions as a masterclass in how language, storytelling, and brand messaging actually drive business outcomes in the age of generative AI. Michael has spent over two decades pioneering narrative as a management discipline, working inside Facebook and Meta across 14 product divisions, advising companies like Google, Shopify, Uber, and NASA, and now serving as an operating partner for narrative at Veridical Ventures. This conversation goes deep into the distinction between story and narrative, two words most marketing strategy and brand storytelling content treats as interchangeable but which Michael argues are fundamentally different disciplines. A story is a closed loop with a beginning, middle, and end. A narrative is an open loop, an abstraction, an architecture that every individual story hangs from like an ornament on a Christmas tree. Michael breaks down the four waves of organizational storytelling, from early knowledge management to the social media era's democratization of brand narrative, to his seven years embedded inside Meta building the strategic narrative behind Facebook Groups, to today's narrative economy where large language models are, by definition, narrative machines. Whether you're a founder building brand purpose from scratch, a CMO trying to align your messaging house, or simply someone trying to understand why storytelling has quietly become the literal infrastructure of how modern organizations operate, this episode will change how you think about every word your company puts into the world. In this episode, you will learn to: Distinguish between story and narrative and understand why that distinction is the foundation of effective brand strategy Recognize language debt inside your own organization before it compounds into misalignment and confusion Build narrative architecture using the thesis, first principles, identity layer, and evidence stack framework Choose coherence narratives over controlled narratives to navigate disruption and uncertainty with integrity Understand why large language models function as narrative machines and what that means for how you communicate going forward Links & Resources Follow Michael Margolis: Website → https://www.storiedinc.com LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelmargolis Book → Story 10x: Turn the Impossible Into the Inevitable by Michael Margolis https://amzn.to/4eUdxVx Firm → Veridical Ventures → https://www.veridical.vc Learning Platform → Narrative Intelligence courses on Maven → https://maven.com/storied Person Referenced → Steve Denning, founder of Golden Fleece community of practice Person Referenced → Paul Costello Person Referenced → Shane Curry, Deloitte Australia Person Referenced → John Hagel, Deloitte Center for the Edge Person Referenced → Ben Horowitz, Andreessen Horowitz Person Referenced → Jose Velez, Curation Labs For more storytelling tips and strategies, visit: Website → https://rainbennett.com Podcast → https://thestorytellinglabpodcast.com Or follow along at: TikTok → https://www.tiktok.com/@chiefstorytellingofficer Twitter/X → https://twitter.com/rainbennett Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/rainbennett Facebook → https://www.facebook.com/thestorytellinglab YouTube → https://www.youtube.com/@RainBennett Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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  Episode #235

  The Content Cascade Strategy Every Brand Needs Right Now

  Jun 12, 202621 minS15

  Pre-Order The Chief Storytelling Officer HERE: https://amzn.to/4eihvql "Commercials interrupt people. Shows invite them into the story world. That is the difference between traditional marketing and storytelling." — Rain Bennett Your marketing campaign strategy is perfectly executed... and it still flops. The visuals are crisp, the copy is tight, and nobody cares. In this solo episode, Rain breaks down the real reason most marketing fails: it isn't a production problem, it's a storytelling problem. When your marketing isn't rooted in a clear brand purpose, it becomes what Rain calls "story yelling," which is loud, scattered, and ultimately forgettable. This is the fifth installment of the Narrative Operating System series, and it's where brand building and marketing strategy finally collide. Rain walks through how the Chief Storytelling Officer fits into your marketing function. Not to replace your CMO, but to ensure every campaign, every message, and every piece of content traces back to the brand narrative your company intentionally chose. The CSO's job isn't to ask "does this say what we want to say?" It's to ask "does this make people feel what we want them to feel?" That distinction is the entire difference between brand storytelling and traditional advertising. Using Yeti, Cali BBQ, and the Neuroendocrine Cancer Foundation as case studies, Rain shows how the most effective marketing strategies aren't campaigns at all—they're story worlds. He introduces the Content Cascade model as a practical framework for building tent pole projects, supporting stories, and audience amplifiers from a single unified brand messaging strategy. And before you go, he breaks down which metrics actually reflect meaningful connection (watch time, saves, comments, shares) and which vanity metrics to stop reporting on entirely. If your brand purpose is clear but your marketing still feels scattered, this episode is your blueprint. In this episode, you will learn to: Understand the difference between story yelling and storytelling —and which one your brand is currently doing Use the Content Cascade model to build tent pole projects, supporting stories, and audience amplifiers from a single narrative Replace vanity metrics with story metrics that actually measure connection and community growth Avoid the traps of trend chasing, channel hopping, and virality chasing that derail most marketing strategies Audit your last 10 pieces of marketing to see if they stem from one unified brand narrative or exist as isolated pieces LINKS AND RESOURCES Episodes Referenced: EP 225 → Brand: How It Feels to Be Part of Your Story World EP 230 → Product: Where Your Story Gets Proven Guest Referenced → Sean Walcheff, Cali Barbecue Media → https://www.calibbq.media Organization Referenced → Neuroendocrine Cancer Foundation → https://www.ncf.net/ Book → The Chief Storytelling Officer by Rain Bennett → Coming August 25th https://amzn.to/4eihvql For more storytelling tips and strategies, visit Website → https://rainbennett.com Podcast → https://thestorytellinglabpodcast.com Or follow along at: TikTok → https://www.tiktok.com/@chiefstorytellingofficer Twitter/X → https://twitter.com/rainbennett Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/rainbennett Facebook → https://www.facebook.com/thestorytellinglab YouTube → https://www.youtube.com/@RainBennett Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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  Episode #234

  Steven Pressfield Was 52 (!) Before His First Novel Sold

  Jun 4, 202641 minS15

  "A good day is when the flow starts to happen and you kind of lose yourself in it. But you cannot count on those days. So I'm a real believer in grinding — just get in there and take what the defense will give you." — Steven Pressfield ORDER THE ARCADIAN HERE: https://amzn.to/4nYHV5e Steven Pressfield is your favorite writer's favorite writer. But years before his best-selling hits like Gates of Fire and The War of Art , Steven Pressfield didn't sell his first novel until he was 52. After over two decades of trying! In Part 2 of our conversation, he and Rain dig into what kept him going, and what keeps him going still. From his daily gym ritual to his philosophy on the Muse, from building a catalog instead of betting everything on one book to his relationship with mentor Robert McKee, this episode is a masterclass in the long game of creative work. If you're in the weeds, struggling to finish, or wondering whether it's too late, this is the conversation you need to hear. In this episode, you will learn to: Build a daily creative habit that beats Resistance even when inspiration doesn't show up Think in catalogs, not single projects, to take pressure off any one piece of work Use physical movement and morning routines as momentum for the creative work that follows Trust the Muse over the market — your least commercial idea may be your most resonant one Embrace the long game and stop measuring yourself against overnight success stories Special Thanks to our Presenting Sponsor for this episode, Vocatales → https://www.vocatales.com Links & Resources Follow Steven Pressfield: Website → https://www.stevenpressfield.com Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/steven_pressfield/ Book → The Arcadian by Steven Pressfield (out May 2025) https://amzn.to/4dA7yFJ Book → A Man at Arms by Steven Pressfield https://amzn.to/4uvYojv Book → Gates of Fire by Steven Pressfield https://amzn.to/4nVT5aT Book → The Legend of Bagger Vance by Steven Pressfield https://amzn.to/4tXWiYM Book → The War of Art by Steven Pressfield https://amzn.to/43wWTWn Person Referenced → Robert McKee Person Referenced → Randy Wallace (screenwriter, Braveheart) Person Referenced → Rick Rubin Person Referenced → Jack Carr (thriller writer) Nove/Film Referenced → Project Hail Mary (Andy Weir) For more storytelling tips and strategies, visit: Website → https://rainbennett.com Podcast → https://thestorytellinglabpodcast.com Or follow along at: TikTok → https://www.tiktok.com/@chiefstorytellingofficer Twitter / X → https://twitter.com/rainbennett Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/rainbennett Facebook → https://www.facebook.com/thestorytellinglab YouTube → https://www.youtube.com/@RainBennett Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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