Episode #42
Your Dads A Numbers Guy
Episode 42 Matt, Eric, and Zach catch up on river life, trailer-backing disasters, and the eternal debate between bead fishing and “real” fishing. The episode moves from neighborhood parking rage to steelhead and trout tactics, with Zach sharing what it’s like guiding the Deschutes post steelhead closure. In this episode, Matt opens with the running joke that “the struggle is real” before the conversation immediately spirals into trailer parking, driveway geometry, and neighbor frustration. Eric describes the daily battle of backing a skiff past a neighbor who parks directly across from his driveway, and admits he has lost his temper more than a few times. Zach talks about guiding on the Deschutes at Beavertail, where he is chasing clients, dealing with smoke, and mourning the loss of his favorite breakfast sandwich spot. The group revisits trailer-backing skills, including how Zach learned to back boats and trailers after moving to Oregon and how that skill became essential in guide life. A major chunk of the episode is a guide-side debate about bead fishing, with Eric explaining why he eventually stopped running beads and preferred mousing, streamer fishing, and teaching clients more active techniques. Eric breaks down why he thinks certain clients get more joy from eating fish on streamers or mice than from pure numbers fishing, especially when guiding trout and Alaska-style water. Matt explains the logic behind setting downstream on a bead rig, walking through how bead, bobber, and fish movement all line up to improve hook sets. Zach shares a detailed story about guiding an elderly client on the American River during egg drop, including how muscle memory and old trout skills can still produce big fish even when mobility is limited. The conversation turns into a broader reflection on guiding ethics, client management, and how much of the job is really about preventing chaos, re-rigging, and keeping people engaged. Zach gives an update from the Deschutes, including a Fly Lords giveaway trip in a Super Pacific camper, the impact of smoke and pressure, and the challenge of finding fishable windows. The episode closes with more jokes about sandals, no-shoes-on-the-boat rules, smoking habits, and the general absurdity of guide life in the Pacific Northwest. Timestamps00:00 - “The struggle is real” and the show’s opening banter 03:32 - Trailer backing skills, boat ramps, and guide-life anxiety 05:14 - Beavertail, breakfast sandwich FOMO, and the Honey Buns obsession 06:29 - Why backing up a truck without a trailer feels impossible 09:18 - The pizza update and Zach’s Clackamas fishing recap 11:22 - Egg drop explained: why big trout get stupid in late summer 13:14 - How Zach got introduced to spey casting and the shop crew 16:41 - Guiding an 80-plus-year-old client back into fishing 18:23 - Why setting downstream matters when nymphing bead rigs 20:37 - Finding fish around egg drop pinch points and level changes 21:57 - Widows, big trout, and the strange humanity of guide trips 23:04 - Eric’s Alaska bead-fishing era and Jeff’s public shame routine 26:14 - Why bead-free guiding made Eric more engaged and less ragey 27:52 - Pre-rigging, breakoffs, and the cost of not paying attention 30:32 - Why streamer, mouse, and Dolly Llama trips are often more rewarding 32:20 - Deschutes update: smoke, river cops, and the quiet season 33:58 - What a Super Pacific camper is and why the trip is a big deal 35:37 - Smoke, pressure, and the reality of fishing around Oregon 37:23 - Carp fishing pressure, weekends, and the joy of exploring 40:45 - The clean-boat miracle and the no-shoes rule 45:59 - Suggesting a no-shoes sign and using compliments as enforcement 49:39 - Smoking inside, bars in the old days, and neighborhood landmarks
