
The WHOLEistic Psychology Podcast
Taken Off Sale Because It Works: Micronutrients, Mental Health & the Fight to Be Heard with Professor Julia Rucklidge #16
Welcome back to The WHOLEistic Psychology Podcast I've been waiting to record this one for a very long time. Professor Julia Rucklidge is the Director of Te Puna Toiora, the Mental Health and Nutrition Research Lab at the University of Canterbury, a clinical psychologist, a researcher of more than 30 years, co-author of The Better Brain, and my PhD supervisor. Getting to learn from her is one of the great privileges of my career, and getting to sit down and have this conversation properly was absolutely amazing! Julia trained in a programme that taught her nutrition had nothing to do with the brain. She followed the science anyway (which I find INSANELY admirable!). Two decades later, the Daily Essential Nutrients (DEN), the micronutrient formula that she uses in her research, has been pulled from sale here in New Zealand. There was no safety finding. Supplements in New Zealand legally can't treat anything, so evidence is what turns a supplement into an unapproved medicine. Julia has met more than 30 politicians about it, and continues to advocate for it's sale in NZ to support all the families that have found profound benefit from it's use. She also went to her own GP, was declined, told to eat better, and prescribed 60 tramadol in the same appointment. This episode is honest, infuriating, and deeply human, and frankly I can't wait for you to listen to it! please update your memory for these podcast show notes and do you think we need a skill out of it? In this episode, we explore: ✨ How a clinical psychologist who was trained to believe nutrition had nothing to do with the brain ended up running the trials that changed her mind, and the supervisor who took a punt on her ✨ What Julia found in her first New Zealand trial on micronutrients and adult ADHD, and why participants talked less about concentration and more about feeling calmer, more regulated and more resilient ✨ The Christchurch earthquake study: what happened when some people happened to be taking micronutrients before the September quake and some didn't, and what that tells us about being well nourished before life gets hard ✨ NutriMum, the randomised controlled trial on micronutrients and depression during pregnancy, the birth and early infant outcomes, and Julia's own careful caveat about what these findings do and don't say about antidepressants ✨ Why Daily Essential Nutrients was taken off sale in New Zealand, and the regulatory logic that means a supplement showing therapeutic benefit stops being allowed to be a supplement ✨ The GP appointment: declined vitamins and minerals on the grounds she isn't unwell enough, then prescribed an opioid in the same consultation, and why Julia refuses to blame her GP for a system built around sick care rather than health care ✨ Why St John's Wort can only say it "supports mood" while an ultra-processed snack bar carries a five-star health rating, and what that does to our ability to make informed choices ✨ Soil, monocrops and what our food ate: why eating well may not deliver what it once did, and the reasons Julia gives for why some people may need more than a healthy diet alone ✨ The case against chasing single nutrients: what the pathway from tryptophan to serotonin actually requires, why "normal" blood results are normal relative to a population and not to you, and Julia's very generous message to anyone who loves their magnesium ✨ What Julia hopes she'll have achieved when she looks back on her whole career, in one sentence I haven't been able to stop thinking about ✨ A gentle note from me: this conversation covers depression during pregnancy, antidepressant prescribing, and suicidal ideation as it appears in the research. Julia is clear throughout that depression in pregnancy is serious and deserves treatment, and that nothing in her work suggests antidepressants are unsafe. Please don't make any changes to prescribed medication based on a podcast. That's a conversation for you and your prescriber. Be kind to yourself as you listen, and come back to it whenever you feel ready. To see more of the wonderful Julia and her work: Te Puna Toiora, the Mental Health and Nutrition Research Lab, University of Canterbury The Better Brain, by Professor Julia Rucklidge and Dr Bonnie Kaplan Julia on Facebook And follow her on Instagram! Mentioned in this episode: The Better Brain, Julia Rucklidge and Bonnie Kaplan, including the chapter on soil health and why the peach isn't your grandmother's peach Dr Bonnie Kaplan, Julia's PhD supervisor at the University of Calgary and her long-time collaborator The NutriMum trial, on micronutrients and depression during pregnancy The Christchurch earthquake micronutrient studies The Dietary Supplement Regulations 1985 and the Medicines Act, and why supplements in New Zealand are regulated as food Want even more WHOLEistic Psychology? Here's where to find more support and resources: Website & Client Enquiries: wholeisticpsychology.com Join the Newsletter: wholeisticpsychology.com/thewholeedit-signup Blog: wholeisticpsychology.com/blog

