Thesis Driven Leader Series

At Thesis Driven, we research and write about trends in the built world. Join Thesis Driven founder Brad Hargreaves as he interviews the leading voices at the intersection of real estate, cities, innovation and technology. Guests include innovators like Zillow founder Spencer Rascoff, the renowned East Coast developer MaryAnne Gilmartin, AOL founder and real estate visionary Steve Case and many more top change makers in real estate. Check out our newsletter at https://www.thesisdriven.com/ . “Thesis Driven is the best source for substantive insight into innovative GP strategies, data-driven real estate investing, and the lesser-known stuff that makes real estate go. ” - Moses Sternstein, Random Walk “If you like it here in the Asphalt Jungle, you'll like what Brad Hargreaves is doing over at Thesis Driven.” - Eric Weatherholtz, <a

Thesis Driven Leader Series is a technology podcast hosted by Unknown Host, with 24 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

Unknown Host hosts Thesis Driven Leader Series, a technology show with 24 episodes published.

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  Episode #11

  Retail as Remedy: Jodie McLean on Solving Loneliness Through Community-Centered Development

  Jun 15, 202537 minS2

  <p>Jodie McLean is the CEO of EDENS, one of the largest and most influential private retail real estate owners and developers in the U.S., with a $6.6 billion portfolio spanning over 100 open-air centers. A 30-year industry veteran and pioneer of community-focused development, McLean has redefined retail not as a commodity transaction but as a human experience. At the helm of EDENS, she’s driven a bold thesis: combat isolation by designing emotionally resonant, walkable centers that serve as the modern public square.</p><p>In this conversation, McLean shares how she’s positioning retail as a critical social infrastructure, disc...

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  Episode #10

  Sue Yannaccone on the Future of Brokerage, MLS Disruption, and Why Agents Aren’t Going Anywhere

  Jun 8, 202527 minS2

  <p>Sue Yannaccone is the President & CEO of Anywhere Brands, the residential real estate powerhouse behind Coldwell Banker, Sotheby’s International Realty, Century 21, Corcoran, and Better Homes and Gardens. With over 350,000 agents in its network, Anywhere is the largest brokerage platform in the U.S.—giving Yannaccone a front-row seat to the biggest shifts reshaping housing.</p><p>In this episode, Brad Hargreaves sits down with Sue to unpack the post–NAR settlement landscape, the future of buyer-side commissions, and why Clear Cooperation is under fire. They explore how agents are adapting, the realistic role of AI in residential transactions, and th...

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  Episode #9

  Elise AI's Minna Song on Building the Artificial Intelligence OS for Housing—and Why Leasing Is Just the Start

  Jun 1, 202541 minS2

  <p>Minna Song is the co-founder and CEO of EliseAI, a company using advanced natural language processing to automate communication across the multifamily industry—and beyond. Originally launched as MeetElise, the company powers AI leasing agents for over 350 customers, including 70% of the 50 largest rental housing operators in the U.S., but Song’s vision goes far beyond leasing.</p><p>In this episode, she sits down with Brad Hargreaves to unpack the evolution of EliseAI, from a chatbot into an enterprise-grade operating system for housing. They talk about the gap between software teams and site teams, how operators misjudge AI time...

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  Episode #8

  Why Amazon, De Niro, and Michelin Chefs All Work With Adam Gordon

  May 25, 202542 minS2

  <p>Adam Gordon doesn’t build what’s trending—he builds what’s missing. A fourth-generation New Yorker and founder of Wildflower Ltd., Gordon has spent three decades solving real estate puzzles most developers ignore: building Amazon’s first NYC e-commerce warehouse, redefining urban luxury townhouses, and now launching a vertical film studio in Queens with Robert De Niro and Bjarke Ingels.</p><p>In this episode, Brad Hargreaves talks with Adam about his narrative-first approach to development, the creative patience required to succeed in New York, and why great projects often begin with the question: “What shouldn’t exist—but must?” They...

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  Episode #7

  CBRE's $800M Office Bet: Industrious' Jamie Hodari on the Future of Work

  May 18, 202544 minS2

  <p>Jamie Hodari led Industrious through the category’s volatile boom to a landmark $800M acquisition by CBRE—without ever calling it “co-working.” In this episode, Jamie joins Brad to reflect on the real reasons Industrious outlasted and outperformed WeWork and others, how venture capital incentives broke office operators, and why management contracts—not leases—were the quiet revolution.</p><p>Now serving as CEO of Building Operations & Experience at CBRE, Hodari shares how he’s redefining Class A space, what hybrid tenants really want, and why Disney should be your model for office experience. </p><p>You’ll also hear why neighbo...

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