Tongue First

Two sapphic voices. One mic. And the kind of questions people don’t always say out loud. Welcome to Tongue First — a queer, sapphic podcast where curiosity gets a little closer… and conversations go a little deeper. Hosted by Siren — trans woman, poet, and emotional-support bottom — and Wendy — cis lesbian baddie with confidence, chaos, and zero interest in sugarcoating anything — this is what happens when you put two very different energies in the same space… and unleash them. Season 1 is a shift. Less performance. More presence. Still playful, still a little unhinged — but now we mean it. Fully unscripted and always honest, these are real conversations about identity, relationships, sex, and the moments that hit harder than expected — with special guests joining every other episode to bring new perspectives, stories, and a little extra chaos into the mix. From messy connections and late realizations to desire, growth, a

Tongue First is a society podcast hosted by Siren and Wendy, with 20 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80. PitchCentric scores this show on Booking Probability, Listen Score, and live audience signals refreshed every 24 hours.

Siren and Wendy hosts Tongue First, a society show with 20 episodes published.

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  Episode #15

  EMDR, Ballet, and Rear Naked Choke-Holds with Lisa Smith

  Aug 18, 20261h 19mS1

  This week on Tongue First, Siren is joined by two guests: Valisara — Siren's right hand and the person behind the scenes making this whole thing run — stepping into the co-host chair while Wendy recovers from being sick, and Lisa Smith, a licensed therapist who specializes in EMDR and works closely with queer and neurodivergent clients. This episode gets real fast. Val opens up about experiencing molestation at age five and the barriers she faced getting access to mental health care as a kid of two moms during the DOMA era — a heads up that this conversation includes discussion of child sexual abuse. From there, Lisa breaks down what EMDR actually is, the accidental discovery that led to it, and why bilateral stimulation works the way it does. They get into what makes a therapist safe for queer clients, the red and green flags to watch for, and why therapy myths from movies like Good Will Hunting don't hold up. Lisa also opens up about her own surprising journey — from jiu jitsu and Muay Thai to becoming an adult beginner ballerina now dancing on pointe. Also: rear naked chokes demonstrated live, a 911 call via Apple Watch, redheads, and the kind of ice cream order that says a lot about a person. If you've ever wondered what actually makes therapy work, needed a nudge to try the hard unfamiliar thing, or just wanted an hour with two genuinely thoughtful people — this one is for you. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981 New episodes every Monday. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer, and don't forget to lick responsibly.

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  Episode #14

  Circling the Block, Consensual Non-Consent, and New Relationship Energy with Jo Del Carmen

  Aug 10, 20261h 29mS1

  This week on Tongue First, Siren and Wendy welcome back Jo Del Carmen — our very first return guest, and currently the most listened to episode in the show's history. Jo circled the block on their own words to be here, and it turns out we all had more to say. This episode opens with a big one: Wendy is back together with her ex-fiancée Jessica, and she walks through exactly what accountability, boundaries, and giving someone grace after repeated heartbreak actually looks like in real time — including a notebook exercise that might be the most direct thing we've ever put on this podcast. Jo brings their own update — the end of a poly situationship, a recent autism diagnosis, and an honest, detailed conversation about new relationship energy, consensual non-consent, and what it actually means to find a valve release. Siren opens up about the current dynamic between her, Bo, and Squeezy, and what it's like to navigate a new relationship feeling easier than a longer one — and why that isn't necessarily a red flag. They also dig into Jo's four B's — breakups, buddies, and the ongoing question of whether queer women and straight men can really just be friends — plus neurospicy brains, bedroom compatibility, boob chat boundaries, and a never-before-heard excerpt from Jo's upcoming book that had all three of us needing a minute. If you've ever circled back to someone you swore you were done with, needed language for a relationship dynamic you couldn't quite name, or just wanted two hours of your favorite people being brutally honest with each other — this one is for you. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981 New episodes every Monday. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer, and don't forget to lick responsibly.

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  Episode #13

  Prime Rib, Choosing Peace, and Setting Boundaries with Geli Jimenez

  Aug 3, 20261h 29mS1

  This week on Tongue First, Siren and Wendy welcome Geli Jimenez — Wendy's close friend, former supervisor, and someone who has lived through more than most people could carry, only to come out the other side kind, grounded, and genuinely at peace. Geli grew up Hispanic and deeply Catholic, realized she was gay watching Practical Magic as a kid, and spent years trying so hard to be straight that she dated boys, got pregnant young, and lost that pregnancy to violence before she ever let herself have a first kiss with a woman. When she finally came out to her mom — in the frozen food aisle, on purpose, so she couldn't get hit — the response was a punch in the arm and, later that night, an ultimatum that ended with Geli walking out the door for good. Together, Siren, Wendy, and Geli talk about estrangement and the seven years of peace that followed setting a boundary with her mother, losing God and finding a version of faith that actually holds her, getting an autism diagnosis in her thirties, and meeting the wife who finally made her believe in staying. They also get into breaking cycles as a parent, what it means to choose who you become in spite of the people who hurt you, and why letting go of what life was supposed to look like is usually the moment real life begins. Also: hard drugs at fourteen, an accidental drug tutorial, Wendy and Geli's origin story as work friends turned family, and a prime rib dinner that was, by Geli's own admission, a little ungay of her. If you've ever had to choose peace over a parent, find yourself outside of who you were raised to be, or needed proof that the other side of hard things can be this good — this one is for you. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981 New episodes every Monday. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer, and don't forget to lick responsibly.

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  Episode #12

  AOL Searches, Shadow Work, and Emotional Support Chopsticks with Daisy Barton

  Jul 27, 20261h 38mS1

  This week on Tongue First, Siren and Wendy welcome Daisy Barton — trans woman, TikTok creator, full time Uber driver, and one of the most quietly resilient people this show has had the privilege of talking to. Daisy knew she was a girl since she was five years old, growing up in a conservative Christian household where she was told God made her a boy and that was the end of the discussion. She spent decades in the closet — purging her clothes over and over, searching AOL chat rooms in the 90s just to know she wasn't alone, and eventually landing in an inpatient facility as a teenager. At 38, she posted on Facebook that she was a trans woman, hit send, and went to sleep. She's been building her life — and herself — in real time ever since. Together, Siren, Wendy, and Daisy talk about CPTSD, the shadow work and self-soothing that got her through it, a therapist who told her to "just be a man and stop crying," finding community and getting the name Daisy from a Discord server, and what it actually took to go from a private, homebound person to someone hundreds of people watch live every day. They also get into the emotional labor of being visible online, the trolls versus the people who genuinely see her, dating after transition — including one spectacularly bad ghosting story — and why her chopsticks have their very own pocket in a hand embroidered scarf. If you've ever had to purge parts of yourself just to survive, needed proof that healing isn't linear, or just wanted to watch someone build a full and joyful life on the other side of hard things — this one is for you. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Find Daisy on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube under Lackadaisylady (concert recordings appear as DaisyBee on YouTube). Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981 New episodes every Monday. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer, and don't forget to lick responsibly.

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  Episode #11

  Boxed Wine, Debriefs, and the Listener Mailbag

  Jul 20, 20261h 18mS1

  This week on Tongue First, it's just Siren and Wendy — boxed wine, sparkling water, chewed ice, and no guest. After ten episodes of incredible guests, this one is a deep exhale. They pour a drink and debrief the last couple of weeks — the drama, the snakes in the grass, what emotional manipulation actually looks like, and why accountability is the whole ballgame. They say what needs to be said, and then they leave it exactly where it belongs: outside the club. From there it gets cozy. Tattoo stories — including Wendy's first tattoo at thirteen from a homemade gun, the cover-up that reclaimed it, and the tattoo artist dream she chased at forty-two before letting it go. The great Tongue First tattoo debate: Wendy's rainbow fruit fly versus Siren's dainty tongue-and-microphone. A public service announcement about tattoo parties. And Buffy the Vampire Slayer finally getting gay. Then the mailbag opens. Siren and Wendy read your comments and reviews from Apple Podcasts and Spotify — the funny ones, the sweet ones, and a few that got genuinely heavy. They talk about what it means to be called a soft place to land, confirm the masc lesbian uniform is real and documented, and remind a few of you that you are deeply, deeply loved. Also: Songbird's wine recipe, ice chewing ASMR, redheads as a category, birthday beach cake plans, and a very close call with the dingle hopper streak. If you've ever needed to protect your peace, or just wanted to sit with two friends and a glass of wine while they read nice things out loud — this one is for you. Support the chaos and get access to bonus content, behind the scenes moments, and the Tongue First After Hours community over on Patreon. The link is in the show notes. Follow the chaos on TikTok: @Sirenegade_440 @Wendy6181981 New episodes every Monday. Until next time — stay curious, stay queer, and don't forget to lick responsibly.

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