
Episode #610
What Is Actually Behind Your Inability to Delegate with Susan Drumm
Most leaders who cannot delegate assume it is a process problem. Susan Drumm has studied both sides of it, and her answer is that the skill gap is real but it is rarely the whole story. Underneath it is usually a belief you have been carrying since long before you managed anyone. Susan has spent two decades coaching C-suite executives, and her work centers on pattern recognition and pattern disruption. In this conversation she explains how she spots those patterns in a leadership team, why leaders resist looking at them, and what it takes to change one in the moment. She shares the story of a leader whose habit of sugarcoating feedback traced back to being the middle child nobody paid attention to, and what shifted once he could name it. She makes a direct case that staying in pretense with your team destroys trust rather than protecting it. She walks through her four steps for catching a pattern and shifting it, explains why she uses the Enneagram over DISC or MBTI, and gets into the neuroscience of how music speeds up new habit formation. Worth your time if you manage people and keep running into the same problem in different clothing. About our guest Susan Drumm is a CEO advisor, executive coach, and the USA Today bestselling author of The Leader's Playlist. She founded Meritage Leadership 20 years ago, where she and her team work with senior leaders and executive teams on pattern recognition, team performance, and leadership development. Her background is unusual for the field. She holds degrees from Harvard Law School and Carnegie Mellon University, plus a master's in acting from the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art. Before starting her own firm, she worked as a consultant at the Boston Consulting Group and later at NBC. She describes herself as an Enneagram type seven, which she says explains her habit of pulling unrelated disciplines together. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro and sponsor 02:00 How Susan finds patterns in an executive team 04:05 Why the old playlist starts in childhood 06:05 Why this work goes better with playfulness 07:15 How sugarcoating feedback wrecked one leader's results 08:50 Why the pattern traced back to being the middle child 09:50 Why staying in pretense destroys trust 10:45 How to tell if a pattern is helping or hurting you 11:40 Harvard Law to acting school and why it all connects 17:20 What the neuroscience says about music and the brain 19:00 How to pick music that actually shifts your state 20:45 The four steps to catch a pattern and change it 23:40 Why Susan uses the Enneagram over DISC or MBTI 27:15 Where to start if you want to do this work 28:30 Why leaders who cannot delegate end up burned out 31:20 How leaders should be approaching AI right now 34:00 A first step if you feel stuck and cannot name why A QUICK GLIMPSE INTO OUR PODCAST Podcast: Transform Your Workplace, sponsored by Xenium HR Host: Brandon Laws In Brandon's own words: "The Transform Your Workplace podcast is your go-to source for the latest workplace trends, big ideas, and time-tested methods straight from the mouths of industry experts and respected thought-leaders." About Xenium HR Xenium HR is on a mission to transform workplaces by providing expert outsourced HR and payroll services for small and medium-sized businesses. With a people-first approach, Xenium helps organizations create thriving work environments where employees feel valued and supported. From navigating compliance to enhancing workplace culture, Xenium offers tailored solutions that empower growth and simplify HR. Whether managing employee relations, payroll processing, or implementing impactful training programs, Xenium is the trusted partner businesses rely on to elevate their workplace experience. Discover how Xenium can transform your workplace: Learn more Resources mentioned: The Leader's Playlist Free leadership quiz Enneagram Applied Meritage Leadership Connect with Susan Drumm: Website LinkedIn Facebook X YouTube Connect with Brandon Laws: LinkedIn Instagram About Connect with Xenium HR: Website LinkedIn Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube

