Unconventional Wisdom About Conventional Wisdom

Unconventional Wisdom About Conventional Wisdom: Where clichés come to retire and fresh thinking we inspire. Smart minds don’t think alike—and that’s the point. Unconventional Wisdom About Conventional Wisdom takes you inside the messy, brilliant, and bold thought processes of high-achieving leaders, entrepreneurs, and out-of-the-box thinkers. We skip the clichés and spotlight the real talk: the strange decisions that worked, the brilliant ideas that bombed, and the thought patterns that defy the rulebook—but still lead to growth, impact, and the occasional mic drop. If you’re tired of surface-level advice and crave the kind of wisdom that makes you pause, laugh, and level up—this is your new favorite listen. Because let’s face it: playing it safe never built anything worth bragging about.

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  Episode #101

  How AI Is Blurring Every Job Description — and What Smart Leaders Do About It | Scott Wintheiser

  Aug 18, 202637 min

  In this episode of Unconventional Wisdom About Conventional Wisdom , Kim Miller-Hershon sits down with Scott Wintheiser , CEO and founding partner of Lightburn, a Milwaukee-based digital CX agency he co-founded in 1998. With over 28 years in digital and ecommerce, Scott has founded and sold multiple ecommerce businesses and even had a documentary screened at Sundance. In Lightburn's early days, he built a custom CMS and ecommerce platform from scratch because the tools he needed didn't exist yet. Today his 20-plus-person team helps mid-size organizations, especially manufacturers, with web design, development, CMS strategy, digital marketing, and ecommerce, and his approach is refreshingly straightforward: find the right-size solution, not the most expensive one. In this conversation, Scott challenges the conventional wisdom he heard most in the early days: that you should contract everything out and never carry the cost of employees. On paper it sounded smart, hire freelancers, pay only when you're busy, but it never felt right, and he trusted that instinct over the advice. The same went for the constant pressure to assemble an advisory board or join a CEO roundtable. Those rooms understood business in a general sense, but in the 1990s nobody in them understood the internet or an agency that only built websites, and it took the confidence of a couple of 20-somethings to realize that no outside expert understood their business better than they did. A candid thread is what Scott still wrestles with underneath the 28-year track record. Outsiders assume a company that's lasted this long is automatically, effortlessly profitable, and anyone who's actually run a business knows that isn't how it works. Internally, the honest gap is forecasting: he doesn't pretend to know where the company will be ten years out, and doesn't bother trying, focusing instead on the next two or three years and trusting the rest to take care of itself. His answer to the classic small-agency threat ("my nephew can build a website") is the same one he'd give about AI: it can help, but you wouldn't ignore your lawyer just because Claude can review a contract. This episode explores: Why "contract everything out" was the wrong advice for his business Trusting your own read over the advisory board and CEO roundtable Why 28 years in business doesn't mean automatic profit Focusing on the next two or three years instead of faking a ten-year forecast How AI speeds the tedious work while demanding more understanding, not less "Job-description creep" and getting comfortable being uncomfortable The "AI open skate" and setting clear guardrails for safe experimentation Paying your team as much as possible, even against margin benchmarks Moving from one-and-done builds to a continual-improvement model Why recurring revenue lets you sleep at night If you're a founder, agency owner, or leader figuring out where AI actually fits, this conversation offers practical insight, honest talk about profit and imposter syndrome, and a refreshing case that you don't need to clear anyone else's bar to be exactly who your business needs. Connect with me here: Website: https://www.kimmillerhershon.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmillerhershon Newsletter: https://link.kimmillerhershon.com/widget/form/aEdmdA1W5MhoMCMfy5O8 Webinar: https://webinar.kimmillerhershon.com/?utm_source=Podcast Guest Details: Guest: Scott Wintheiser, CEO & Founding Partner, Lightburn Focus: Milwaukee-based digital CX agency (co-founded 1998); web design, development, CMS strategy, digital marketing, and ecommerce for mid-size organizations, especially manufacturers; serial ecommerce entrepreneur with a Sundance-screened documentary Website: http://lightburn.co Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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  Episode #100

  From Venezuela to CEO: How Coming to America Alone at 13 Shaped Her Success | Marivi Bryant

  Aug 14, 202637 min

  In this episode of Unconventional Wisdom About Conventional Wisdom , Kim Miller-Hershon sits down with Mari V. Bryant , founder and president of HOME Agency, a people-first marketing and branding firm that partners with mission-driven organizations and national brands. With nearly 25 years of experience working with the likes of the Phoenix Suns, the NASCAR Foundation, State Farm, and Blue Cross Blue Shield, Mari is passionate about using marketing to create meaningful impact. She's also a dedicated community advocate and the founder of the Mission Meets Action Award, a $100,000 pro bono initiative supporting nonprofits through strategic marketing and storytelling, now in its second year. Her origin story starts long before any of that: she came to the US from Venezuela at thirteen, alone, to chase a tennis scholarship, living in a house with fifteen-plus other teenagers and calling her mom collect from payphones across two continents. In this conversation, Mari challenges a piece of conventional wisdom she absorbed straight from a lifetime of competition: that success means always chasing the next big thing. Fresh out of a D1 tennis career and into her working life, she treated every job as a stepping stone to the next one, obsessively hunting the following title before she'd fully lived in the one she had. It took years of maturity to see it as the wrong approach. The job you have right now is the right job for right now, and the better move is to be present in it, cultivate the relationships, and do the best work you can rather than always straining toward the horizon. She's clear it's a both/and: two things can be true, that she's never satisfied and that she's genuinely grateful for what's in front of her. Mari and Kim also dig into the nuance underneath outsourcing. You don't need to become a finance expert, but you do need enough knowledge to ask the right questions and keep real accountability in place. Kim sharpens it with a cautionary tale of a client who never asked and got stolen from by a trusted employee, and Mari's takeaway is that asking better questions is one of a founder's primary tools, not just for status updates but for prompts that make the whole team rethink its own approach. She's candid, too, that no one else will ever carry the business the way a founder does at 24/7, which is exactly why the right questions and reminders have to become a regular leadership routine. This episode explores: Why always chasing the next big thing is the wrong way to grow Being present in the job you have instead of straining toward the next one Holding ambition and gratitude as two things that can both be true Focusing on the "who," not the "what": resourcefulness over doing it all Building on your strengths instead of grinding to fix every weakness Why confidence comes from proof, and asking for help isn't failure Outsourcing finance while keeping enough knowledge to ask the right questions Why better questions are a founder's primary tool Protecting an intentional culture as a remote company grows Chasing relationships and the right engagements instead of the money The Mission Meets Action Award and matching nonprofits' exterior to their mission Naming imposter syndrome out loud to release it Wanting validation and the reminder to look at the proof, without dismissal "You always win the game you're playing in your head," so choose it Mari's perspective is a powerful reminder that the strongest founders aren't the ones doing everything themselves, they're the ones who know their strengths, surround themselves with the right people, and ask the questions that move everyone forward. Her journey from a thirteen-year-old calling home collect from a French payphone to the head of a mission-driven agency shows that being resourceful, present, and honest about your gaps isn't a weakness in leadership. It's the whole foundation. If you're a founder, marketer, or leader trying to grow something without losing what makes it yours, this conversation offers practical insight, honest talk about imposter syndrome, and a refreshing case that the right relationships are worth more than the next quick win. Connect with me here: Website: https://www.kimmillerhershon.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmillerhershon Newsletter: https://link.kimmillerhershon.com/widget/form/aEdmdA1W5MhoMCMfy5O8 Webinar: https://webinar.kimmillerhershon.com/?utm_source=Podcast Guest Details: Guest: Mari V. Bryant, Founder & President, HOME Agency Focus: People-first marketing and branding for mission-driven organizations and national brands; founder of the Mission Meets Action Award ($100,000 pro bono initiative, applications open August 17) Website: https://www.wearehomeagency.com Instagram: @wearehomeagency LinkedIn (personal): https://www.linkedin.com/in/marivibryant/ LinkedIn (company): https://www.linkedin.com/company/wearehomeagency/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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  Episode #99

  The Invisible Tax of Leadership and success: On Masking, Mental Health, and Showing Up Anyway | Chelsea Byers

  Aug 11, 202639 min

  In this episode of Unconventional Wisdom About Conventional Wisdom , Kim Miller-Hershon sits down with Chelsea Byers , a high-growth operator and C-suite leader who spent years navigating the high-stakes world of education startups, including a growth phase that saw revenues climb to $100 million. But her career wasn't just a series of wins. In her memoir, Course Correct , she pulls back the curtain on what she calls the invisible tax of leadership, from managing clinical depression in the boardroom to navigating infertility and the Me Too era while scaling a company. She describes herself as a human infrastructure builder, focused on how to grow a business without letting the human fabric of the team rip under pressure. Her walk-in song, for the record, would be "Thunder" by Imagine Dragons, for the slow, unmistakable build. In this conversation, Chelsea challenges one of the most limiting pieces of conventional wisdom in business: that a leader has to look a very particular way. Early in her career, watching the tech boom across the water from her Teach For America classroom in Oakland, she counted herself out entirely, because she didn't see herself in the money-first, command-presence, talk-about-yourself archetype she assumed leadership required. Kim connects it to her work with DiSC assessments and the persistent myth that only the demanding, go-go-go style succeeds, when the evidence says every style can lead well. The conventional picture is just that, a picture, not a requirement. On growth and imposter syndrome, Chelsea's advice is refreshingly practical. She's grown most by chasing roles that genuinely interested her instead of climbing toward whatever the next promotion was, because people shine when they follow real enthusiasm. And she treats imposter syndrome not as something to defeat but as a companion to let ride along without letting it hold you back, whether that means picking up work you're curious about or simply asking a senior colleague for fifteen minutes about their career, which almost no one refuses. Being open, she's found, is the very thing that builds trust, because nobody quite trusts the person whose life is always shiny. This episode explores: Why leadership doesn't have to look like the conventional archetype How ruthless middle schoolers teach you that authenticity is table stakes Leading from your real temperament instead of a borrowed persona The invisible tax of masking, and the self-blame that compounds it Why mental health is brain chemistry, not a willpower or circumstance problem Treating health as best effort rather than a skill you can master De-stigmatizing infertility, miscarriage, and the silent grief around them "You're a person too": permission to feel what you feel Why success and struggle are not a binary, and one doesn't cancel the other Letting imposter syndrome ride along without letting it drive Why openness builds more trust than a always-shiny front Chelsea's perspective is a powerful reminder that success and struggle are not opposites, and that the leaders people actually trust are the ones willing to be real about what showing up costs them. Her journey from an Oakland classroom to a $100 million growth story, carried through depression, infertility, and loss, shows that you don't have to have it all figured out to build something meaningful. You just have to stop pretending you do. If you're a leader, operator, or anyone quietly carrying more than you let on at work, this conversation offers practical insight, honest talk about mental health and imposter syndrome, and a refreshing case that being valued for all of you, not just the facade, is worth building a career around. Connect with me here: Website: https://www.kimmillerhershon.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmillerhershon Newsletter: https://link.kimmillerhershon.com/widget/form/aEdmdA1W5MhoMCMfy5O8 Webinar: https://webinar.kimmillerhershon.com/?utm_source=Podcast Guest Details: Guest: Chelsea Byers Book: Course Correct (memoir) Focus: High-growth operator and C-suite leader in education startups; "human infrastructure" and sustainable team-building LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelseabyers/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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  Episode #98

  Why "Fake It Till You Make It" Fails — and What Actually Builds Confidence with Andriana Daly

  Aug 7, 202635 min

  In this episode of Unconventional Wisdom About Conventional Wisdom , Kim Miller-Hershon sits down with Andriana Shultz Daly , a partner at McGuireWoods in Richmond with more than a decade of experience handling complex commercial and intellectual property litigation across telecommunications, medical devices, finance, transportation, and higher education. Andriana has first-chair jury trial experience and routinely leads matters from pre-litigation strategy through trial. She also brings a rare dual perspective: nearly four years in-house as associate general counsel for a global pharmaceutical company, where she managed a global litigation portfolio that included antitrust class actions, securities class actions, multiple MDLs, and nationwide opioid and products liability matters. That in-house stretch shapes how she leads, how she advises, and how she thinks about complex problem-solving under pressure. And when asked what she'd do without her law license, she lights up: physical therapist, or the owner of a little cafe making banana chocolate chip muffins for her regulars. In this conversation, Andriana challenges two pieces of conventional wisdom she never bought into for a second. The first is "fake it till you make it." She understands it in principle, being confident in your ability to figure out something new, but in practice she's watched people use it to fake experience they don't have, and that's a non-starter for someone who was always curious to learn what she didn't know. The second is checking your personal life at the door. A self-described oversharer, Andriana doesn't want to work with robots, and she doesn't think you can support your team through the good and the bad if everyone pretends their lives vanish the moment they walk in. Andriana and Kim also dig into the rule she'd throw out of the legal profession first: that more time and more billing is always better. It doesn't serve the client paying for it or your own sanity. The real goal is efficiency plus genuine quality. They get practical about billing in real time (living life in six-minute increments, because you can never accurately reconstruct it later and attorneys who wait tend to under-bill), and Andriana shares the piece of advice that shaped her whole approach: don't line up projects like boxcars. Get curious about the client's actual objective, which often isn't the obvious one, and you move from resolving a single issue to being the trusted advisor they call when anything comes up. This episode explores: Why "fake it till you make it" fails when it becomes faking experience Not checking your personal life at the door, and leading by example Boundaries as a two-way street that protects your team's time Why work-life balance is a daily process, not a fixed state Asking "what do I need to make today great?" instead of just reading the calendar Finding peace in the downtime between big cases Why more billing isn't better, and how to bill accurately in real time Don't line up projects like boxcars: understand the client's real objective Moving from task-doer to trusted advisor by grasping the full context Developing associates when the pandemic and AI have changed the apprenticeship Teaching the "why" AI can't provide, and keeping a human in the lead Reframing imposter syndrome by reading your own bio as a stranger would Turning time away into experience gained, and exercise as mental reset Andriana's perspective is a powerful reminder that the best leaders don't demand their teams already know everything, they teach the why, protect people's time, and stay curious about what actually matters to the client in front of them. Her path from private practice to in-house and back shows that the detours aren't lost time, they're perspective you couldn't have gained any other way. If you're a lawyer, leader, or anyone navigating how to grow people in a rapidly shifting profession, this conversation offers practical insight, honest talk about imposter syndrome, and a refreshing case that curiosity and authenticity beat faking it every time. Connect with me here: Website: https://www.kimmillerhershon.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmillerhershon Newsletter: https://link.kimmillerhershon.com/widget/form/aEdmdA1W5MhoMCMfy5O8 Webinar: https://webinar.kimmillerhershon.com/?utm_source=Podcast Guest Details: Guest: Andriana Shultz Daly, Partner, McGuireWoods (Richmond) Focus: Complex commercial and intellectual property litigation (patent, trademark, copyright, trade secret); former associate general counsel for a global pharmaceutical company Firm bio: https://www.mcguirewoods.com/people/d/andriana-shultz-daly/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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  Episode #97

  The Life You Want Is on the Other Side of What You Won't Put Down | Scott Lackey

  Aug 4, 202640 min

  In this episode of Unconventional Wisdom About Conventional Wisdom , Kim Miller-Hershon sits down with Scott Lackey , author of Wake Up To Die Again , a book that's getting a lot of play. From his earliest memories, Scott wanted to do two things: build a business and live a life full of adventure. He's managed both, and then some. He's a patented inventor, an Army combat veteran, an Ironman, an author, a speaker, a weekly newspaper columnist, a husband and dad, and the chief sales officer of the largest US subsidiary of a global manufacturer, all at the same time. He's the kind of person who plans a 12-day, coast-to-coast race across Nicaragua for fun, and who insists that real adventure isn't the extreme feat itself but anything that makes you come alive. In this conversation, Scott challenges one of the most deeply ingrained beliefs in business and in life: that success is always about addition. More skills, more things, the right car, the right house, the next box checked. He got excellent at living a life of addition, and kept arriving at the end of each acquisition to find an empty space and only himself standing there. The counterintuitive shift that's brought him the most satisfaction over the last 15 years is the opposite: subtraction. Not cutting the good things out of life, but shedding the weight, physical and mental, that we were never meant to carry forward, which is exactly what opens up room to acquire what actually matters. That idea runs straight into a second one at the heart of the episode: subtracting the beliefs that no longer serve you. Scott and Kim agree that the biggest danger to absolute certainty is that when you're sure you're right, there's no room left for anyone else, or for correction. Scott describes a training partner whose views he categorically disagrees with but loves like a brother, because he looks at the man's intent rather than his positions. The through-line is a stance of curiosity, the belief that getting curious about other people is not only healthier but far more fun. This episode explores: Why success framed as constant addition leaves you empty Subtraction as a healthier way to live, physically and mentally Subtracting the beliefs and stories that no longer serve you Why absolute certainty leaves no room for anyone else Leading with curiosity and reading people by their intent Why the magic-bullet promise fails, and self-trust is the real fix Why contemplative time is the prerequisite for trusting yourself Protecting culture as a leader's daily, deliberate work Sending team members to meet customers so they're seen as human Asking employees what they actually want from their careers Beating imposter syndrome by buying things because you want them, not to prove you're enough Scott's perspective is a powerful reminder that a full life often comes from taking away rather than piling on, and that the most important promises you'll ever keep are the ones you make to yourself. His journey from a man who measured himself by his possessions to one who can hold the shiny thing loosely shows that trusting yourself is the real adventure, and that you were already enough before you checked a single box. If you're a founder, leader, or anyone tired of chasing the next thing, this conversation offers practical insight, honest talk about self-trust and imposter syndrome, and a refreshing case that the boldest move might be subtraction. Connect with me here: Website: https://www.kimmillerhershon.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmillerhershon Newsletter: https://link.kimmillerhershon.com/widget/form/aEdmdA1W5MhoMCMfy5O8 Webinar: https://webinar.kimmillerhershon.com/?utm_source=Podcast Guest Details: Guest: Scott Lackey Book: Wake Up To Die Again: Breaking Who You Became So You Can Be Who You're Meant to Be (published May 14, #1 New Release and #2 on the Best Seller List) — available on Amazon Focus: Chief sales officer, author, speaker, and weekly newspaper columnist; patented inventor, Army combat veteran, and Ironman Website: https://scottlackey.com Keynote speaking (top 10 most-requested topics): https://scottlackey.com/speaking/ Published short stories and media: https://scottlackey.com/published-work/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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