Computer Says Maybe

Technology is changing fast. And it's changing our world even faster. Host Alix Dunn interviews visionaries, researchers, and technologists working in the public interest to help you keep up. Step outside the hype and explore the possibilities, problems, and politics of technology. We publish weekly.

Computer Says Maybe is a technology podcast hosted by Alix Dunn, with 139 episodes on record and a Required Pod Score of 80.

Alix Dunn hosts Computer Says Maybe, a technology show with 139 episodes published.

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  Episode #141

  The Kids Are Online: Are Social Media Bans the Answer? w/ Cori Crider and Pamela Wisniewski

  Sep 24, 202653 min

  Almost everyone studying kids’ safety online agrees that a blanket social media ban won't work. And nearly every government moving on the issue is passing one anyway. This week, a researcher and a policy lawyer dig into why - and what could actually work instead. More like this: When Kids Can’t Consent: The Case Against Tech in the Classroom w/ Andrew Liddell This is the final episode in our back-to-school series on tech and kids. Pamela Wisniewski, a principal research scientist at the International Computer Science Institute, spends the first half of the conversation dismantling the myths that are driving most kids-online safety policies: that teens are victims with no agency, that we're all "addicted" in the same way, and that “bad kids” are seeking risk rather than connection. Her research suggests that safety isn't the absence of risk; it's having the agency and support to navigate it. She also explains why age verification often strips that agency from kids and parents alike, without making anyone safer. Cory Crider, executive director of the Future of Tech Institute, picks up where Pam leaves off. She walks us through Europe's Kids Act, the political pressure that is pushing Brussels to act, and why she'd rather fix toxic feed design than wall kids off from platforms that remain exactly the same underneath. She also gets into how easily an age-check system built for social media could creep into every corner of the internet if nobody's watching. Further reading & resources: Promoting Adolescent Online Safety and Privacy through Human-Centered Computing [VIDEO] — Pam Wisniewski, University of Waterloo CrySP Speaker Series on Privacy EU KIDS Act to restrict social media platforms’ access to children in the EU — European Commission What is in the EU's planned KIDS Act? — Reuters Protection of persons under 18: Seven out of ten children, aged between 10 and 14, think that setting the digital age of majority at 15 is a good idea — Arcom Join The Maybe Collective to explore the politics of technology through fresh ideas that you won't hear anywhere else. Sign up for monthly insights, access to exclusive digital events, and real ways to get more involved on issues you care about. Computer Says Maybe is produced by Kushal Dev, Marion Wellington, Van Newman, and Zoe Trout

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  Episode #140

  When Kids Can’t Consent: The Case Against Tech in the Classroom w/ Andrew Liddell

  Sep 17, 202649 min

  No tech that your kid uses in the classroom was designed for their benefit. Not the tablet, not the "learning app," not the AI chatbot helping with homework. It was designed to benefit the company that made it — and your kid's data, attention, privacy, and, most importantly, safety, are the price. More like this: Meet the Mom Winning Against AI in Schools w/ Ifeoma Ozoma This week, Andrew Liddell, co-founder of the EdTech Law Center, walks us through exactly how EdTech works, why it made its way into schools with so little oversight, who it actually serves, and the cases his firm has fought against the companies putting these devices into classrooms. His firm has gone after student-data pipelines it flagged as hackable — and later watched get hacked — laws like FERPA and COPPA being twisted into loopholes that bypass parental consent entirely, and school-issued AI tools pulling kids into the same crises we’ve watched play out among adults. What ties it together, Liddell says, is a business model that was never built with kids in mind, and a legal system that’s still trying to catch up. Andrew’s looking for parents in California who are concerned about their kids’ usage of AI chatbots. If that’s you, get in touch here: https://chatgptlitigation.com/ Further reading & resources: EdTech Law Center Parents’ Consent at the Heart of Ed Tech Lawsuits — The 74 Google's work in schools aims to create a 'pipeline of future users,' internal documents say — NBC News Children's Screen Time Action Network Mothers Against Media Addiction Phone Free Schools Movement Fair Play Schools Beyond Screens Join The Maybe Collective to explore the politics of technology through fresh ideas that you won't hear anywhere else. Sign up for monthly insights, access to exclusive digital events, and real ways to get more involved on issues you care about. Computer Says Maybe is produced by Kushal Dev, Marion Wellington, Van Newman, and Zoe Trout

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  Episode #139

  The Battle for Power Inside Big Tech: Against Tech Oligarchy w/ JS Tan & Clarissa Redwine

  Sep 14, 202656 min

  Over the last decade, tech workers have staged walkouts, signed open letters by the tens of thousands, and built more than a dozen new unions across the industry. And yet, over that same decade, tech companies have ramped up carbon emissions, raced to militarize AI, signed contracts with the Trump administration, rolled back protections for marginalized users, and, in some ways, engineered their platforms to be protest-proof. In Against Tech Oligarchy , authors JS Tan and Clarissa Redwine ask the question: did tech workers ever actually learn how to fight? More like this: Meet the Mom Winning Against AI in Schools w/ Ifeoma Ozoma JS Tan and Clarissa Redwine are both former tech workers who spent years organizing from the inside. This week, they join Alix to map the last decade of tech labor organizing: the walkout era of 2018, when public pressure and shame campaigns actually worked; the pivot toward formal unionization after Kickstarter's breakthrough; and the sharp turn after 2022, when rising interest rates gave bosses cover to stop pretending they cared what workers thought. They get into why revenue-based leverage barely applies to an industry that runs on perceived valuation, why AI researchers and rank-and-file engineers may need very different organizing strategies, and the line that anchors the whole conversation: you can spend years organizing for power, and the moment you actually have it, realize you have no idea how to use it. Further reading & resources: Buy the book: Against Tech Oligarchy — JS Tan & Clarissa Redwine How a Tech Worker Fought Back from Being Fired as a Union Organiser — Clarissa Redwine, Branch Why the Balance of Power in Tech is Shifting Towards Workers — Jane Lytvynenko, MIT Technology Review Join The Maybe Collective to explore the politics of technology through fresh ideas that you won't hear anywhere else. Sign up for monthly insights, access to exclusive digital events, and real ways to get more involved on issues you care about. Computer Says Maybe is produced by Kushal Dev, Marion Wellington, Van Newman, and Zoe Trout

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  Episode #138

  Meet the Mom Winning Against AI in Schools w/ Ifeoma Ozoma

  Sep 10, 202653 min

  Imagine dropping your kid off at school, where you assume they’re going to be taught all day by… teachers, of course. But then you find out that part of their day is actually spent talking and reading out loud to a cute, cartoonish AI avatar named Amira. And while they're reading, Amira is recording their voice, without ever receiving from the parents or kid. In New Mexico, this very technology is being state-mandated in classrooms. But when one parent, with a reputation for speaking out and getting laws changed, found out about this, she was prepared to fight for the kids in her school distract and beyond. More like this : https://www.themaybe.org/podcast/the-digital-delusion-w-dr-jared-cooney-horvath That parent is Ifeoma Ozoma. After Pinterest pushed her out for raising pay discrimination and health misinformation concerns, she moved to Santa Fe, where a new fight found her. We get into how one mom with a homemade website got fifteen school districts to opt out in six weeks flat, what digging into public records turned up about how deep this actually goes, and how she's working to get the whole thing banned outright. Further reading & resources: Amira Opt-Out SFPS Schools Beyond Screens New York City Bans A.I. in Elementary and Middle Schools — The New York Times Get unvetted AI out of New Mexico schools — Ifeoma Ozoma Join The Maybe Collective to explore the politics of technology through fresh ideas that you won't hear anywhere else. Sign up for monthly insights, access to exclusive digital events, and real ways to get more involved on issues you care about. Computer Says Maybe is produced by Kushal Dev, Marion Wellington, Van Newman, and Zoe Trout.

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  Episode #137

  The Digital Delusion: The False Promise of Ed Tech w/ Dr. Jared Cooney Horvath

  Sep 3, 202643 min

  A screen is built to do one thing well: split your attention across as many things as possible, as fast as possible. A developing brain needs the opposite— sustained, undivided focus— to learn anything at all. Cognitive neuroscientist Dr. Jared Cooney Horvath doesn't think ed-tech is failing kids by accident. He thinks it's failing them because the two things it's built to do are the same two things guaranteed to keep them from learning. More like this: You Seem Lonely. Have a Robot w/ Stevie Chancellor In this episode, Dr. Jared Cooney Horvath, a former classroom teacher turned cognitive neuroscientist and author of the new book The Digital Delusion, walks Alix through why so much of what makes a screen effective is exactly what makes it useless for learning: it invites multitasking when the brain needs focus, it rewards speed when comprehension requires slowing down, and it replaces face-to-face attention with something that looks like connection but doesn't function like it. Dr. Horvath takes us back over a deacde ago to trace how we got here, where a tool to fail students by design continues to become more embedded into the classroom. Further reading & resources: Technopoly: The Surrender of Culture to Technology — Neil Postman The Pen Is Mightier Than the Keyboard — Mueller & Oppenheimer, Psychological Science, April 2014 This laptop had to fail so Chromebooks could become back-to-school essentials — Tech Radar, August 2022 Chromebook Remorse: Tech Backlash at Schools Extends Beyond Phones — The New York Times, May 2026 Buy The Digital Delusion: How Classroom Technology Harms Our Kids' Learning by Dr. Jared Cooney Horvath through The Maybe on Bookshop.org ! Every purchases supports the author and independent bookstores across the country. Want to join the authors we interview for exclusive Q&As? Join The Maybe Collective to explore the politics of technology through fresh ideas that you won't hear anywhere else. Sign up for monthly insights, access to exclusive digital events, and real ways to get more involved on issues you care about. Computer Says Maybe is produced by Kushal Dev, Marion Wellington, Sarah Myles, Van Newman, and Zoe Trout

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